Chat logs of #funderscore for Thursday, 2024-07-11
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17:10 <f_[xmpp]> I hate cloudflare
17:11 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Hate will shorten your telomeres and the lifespan. Please consider hating when we will be able to repair that.
17:17 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> heh, looks like we have one person on XMPP :P
17:17 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Really need a better bridge...
17:18 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: I'm still alive, that said.
17:19 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> mirrored topic over on xmpp
17:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The bridge is kind of working OK I guess. What's missing? I can envoke ChatterBox's XMPP-to-IRC bridge if there are any issues, OK
17:21 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: Not puppeting
17:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> As in it displays only as 1? Not 1 per user?
17:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I see
17:21 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Yup. And to hackint users it looks like....ughh this: <@rxbridge> <Mb/rx> <f_/XMPP-cvdo> hi
17:22 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I have 2 bridges running
17:22 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> One to bridge rx IRC to Hackint (w/ puppeting on rx)
17:22 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> And f_ridge to bridge rx to xmpp
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17:23 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: ChatterBox seems to only do Biboumi though
17:24 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Yeah, have what have, it's localized
17:25 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> which I already host for rx: <channel>@rx.trans.vitali64.duckdns.org
17:25 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I'm talking about a proper bridge, not a gateway/xmpp-irc bouncer
17:25 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Something that links one channel to another.
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17:26 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> thanks for the offer though
17:27 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> No biggie. I probably should've worded better, EN is not my native
17:27 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I wish there was something like IRC PyLink, but for xmpp<->irc
17:28 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: English not native for me either :D
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17:28 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Some do call biboumi a bridge
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17:29 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Sadly I'm not a bridge makerperson, perhaps I could've known how to solve otherwise
17:30 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Could work on such a thing
17:30 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Just a mere non-binary pansexual audio-enthusiast anarcho-pacifist Kemono Linuxoid game-collecting alterhuman with some mild programming skills in Python, using a private VPN, nothing unusual
17:30 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I've been willing to learn how to do puppets on XMPP for a while now
17:30 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> What the chat is about? It's not too clear
17:31 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> "Willing," where is will there is action, and action can lead to success, hopefully
17:31 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> It's about my infra and stuff I maintain. There's also cozy chatter going on here sometimes
17:32 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> It's logged btw: https://irc.vitali64.duckdns.org/rx/funderscore
17:32 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Yes, noted for trying to figure out, read a tiny bit
17:32 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I also have #funderscore-sucks on forgot how many IRC networks
17:33 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> uhhhh...hackint and oftc at least
17:33 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Soon EFnet too.
17:33 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> It's chaos - everyone has +o
17:33 <hax[xor]> +rx+tc+fol
17:33 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Not registered with channel services
17:33 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> thanks hax
17:34 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: How did you find out about this channel btw? I'm curious.
17:34 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The XMPP search engine by the "chat@" query.
17:35 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> search.jabber.network?
17:35 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Is "+o" the owner status? Feels like OFUF the chat approach, it kind of worked for a while
17:36 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Yes, this address
17:36 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Its owner may erase any chat for any reason from the list, keep in mind
17:36 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> But it may help with discoverability
17:36 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Nice to see it crawled all my lil' XMPP MUCs :)
17:36 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I know the owner
17:36 <hax[xor]> +o is an irc mode, and chat history can't be wiped here since it's stored in all of our IRC client's logs (:
17:37 <hax[xor]> well maybe if you made an emp large enough to wipe out the world
17:37 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> If know the owner, wouldn't be an issue, OK
17:37 <hax[xor]> or better yet incinerated the planet to take care of optical storage too
17:38 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> An EMP blast would be cheaper
17:38 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I think
17:38 <hax[xor]> but wouldn't work if I store it on a dvd :D
17:39 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Today's discs can store hundreds of TBs, and magnetic tapes can store a lot too
17:39 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> search.jabber.network is ran by jssfr
17:39 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The 1st is totally experimental, the 2nd is for corpos (costly)
17:40 <hax[xor]> magnetic tapes are still subject to electro magnetic pulses
17:40 <hax[xor]> also who needs hundreds of TBs to store irc chat logs for this channel :P
17:40 <f_[xmpp]> yeah
17:41 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, anyways look up to: https://www.pcgamer.com/researchers-have-developed-a-very-big-disctm-that-can-store-up-to-200-terabytes-of-data-and-may-represent-a-return-to-optical-media-for-long-term-storage/
17:41 <hax[xor]> my log is currently ~2.5MB for here
17:41 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I am not kidding
17:41 <f_[xmpp]> nmxc: Interesting
17:41 <hax[xor]> > very big disc
17:41 <hax[xor]> sounds impractically large
17:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Do we remember when 20MB was huge? Size needs change
17:42 <f_[xmpp]> Wouldn't use it everyday as rootfs TBH
17:43 <hax[xor]> I was interpreting it as physical size :D
17:43 <f_[xmpp]> But could be useful for long term storage
17:43 <hax[xor]> secondly, > 100 layers
17:43 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Ehm, the sentence is unclear, fix: The needs towards size do change
17:43 <hax[xor]> that sounds problematic for writing
17:43 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, a solid point, may not be perfect
17:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The final speeds are unknown, it's not done yet
17:44 <hax[xor]> still 2TB/layer is good
17:44 <f_[xmpp]/h> runxiyu-: join XMPP side, I'll give you mod
17:44 <hax[xor]> and if they can make it rewritable at that it'd be great
17:44 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> ah yes, <f_[xmpp]/h/rx>
17:45 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Speaking of moderation, I'll say in advance it would be truly nice if 1st was an attempt to warn, find a peaceful resolution, and only then non-moderate actions
17:45 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Plus havd clear rules
17:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I hope it'll all be OK
17:46 <hax[xor]> nah the proper solution is to never document the rules and go to permaban on first offence :D:D:D
17:46 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> No one got banned
17:47 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> no one will get banned now
17:47 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Just I'd like 2-3 moderators per side
17:48 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Mostly for spam waves
17:48 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Spam of so-call "cryptobros" and pornbots?
17:49 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I heard from one peer using IRC there were some issues
17:49 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> fourtunately rx doesn't get spam often
17:49 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> thanks to really nice DNSBL's
17:49 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> DroneBL for instance
17:50 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: yup, specifically that kind of spam I don't want
17:51 <hax[xor]> ~~so f_ wants other kinds of spam?~~
17:52 <f_[xmpp]/h> ~~yes :D:D:D~~
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17:53 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> great, thanks Matterbridge
17:53 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> those <?> are supposed to be bold
17:54 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> XMPPServ when :P
17:55 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> VRChat/Resonite or an Open-Source Godot-based alternative, would it be one day?
17:56 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> With Full Body, Phantom Sense, & Ambisonics/HRTF
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18:03 <hax> you can keep your figlets :P
18:03 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I think the bridge might be messing up encoding.
18:04 <hax[xor]> the first one was ansi coloring, which naturally doesn't work on irc (unless you're using netcat as a client or such)
18:04 <hax[xor]> the second was irc coloring, which would need to be converted to xmpp coloring for the xmpp bridge
18:04 <hax[xor]> or just stripped
18:05 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Colours, fancy. I only had that set in one of my SH script, somehow, to notice errors better
18:05 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> XMPP has colouring? Hmmm, peculiar
18:06 <hax[xor]> idrk :D
18:06 <hax[xor]> if xmpp doesn't I can laugh at it for IRC beating it in features :P
18:07 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Although I'll be quick to point out that sadly not all people can see all the colours, and that may sometimes cause confusion
18:07 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Generally black/white is OK
18:08 <hax[xor]> and people wich such needs can simple tell their client to strip them
18:08 <hax[xor]> *simply
18:09 <hax[xor]> inspircd also has a user mode for stripping colors in messages to them
18:09 <hax[xor]> idr if it worked on channels or not though, probably not
18:10 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, Conversations/Blabber or Gajim don't appear to have such a setting
18:10 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> For messages, not usernames
18:11 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I suspect IRC beats it in this regard, after briefly looking at XEPs
18:37 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> In the end it all pales in comparison to social VR 🙃
19:06 <f_[xmpp]> hax[xor]: XMPP does have colours
19:07 <f_[xmpp]> But the client I use rn (conversations) strips them :(
19:07 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> OK, I might be figuratively blind. How?
19:07 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Oh, sad.
19:07 <f_[xmpp]> no idea TBH
19:07 <f_[xmpp]> Need to check when I do have access to my laptop
19:08 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> wow that's some really messed up figlet @xmpp
19:09 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I was scrolling the app list on PostmarketOS for now, looks fine
19:10 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Although I'm told Audacity has privacy/security issues, Tenacity has solved it
19:12 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> For Open-Source games, Mindustry does exist, has LAN multiplayer
19:13 <hax[xor]> not just LAN :P
19:14 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, I don't remember much on it, my memory is Swiss Cheese eaten by mice, I remember testing LAN
19:15 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Good to hear you've supposedly played
19:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Do you play Warsow?
19:22 <hax[xor]> n
19:23 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I see, OK
19:27 <f_[xmpp]> nmxc: you run postmarketOS?
19:59 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Nope, sadly. I looked up the HW list, not supported
20:00 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I run Debian 11, Ubuntu 20.4
20:00 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *Ubuntu Mate 20.4, some Raspbian, Android 10–11, and (games only) Windows 7
20:06 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *Android 10–13
20:06 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Sorry
21:52 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: no need to be sorry :)
21:53 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Consider joining postmarketos@conference.vitali64.duckdns.org though ;)
21:53 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> It's unofficial, but me and some other pmOS team members idle there
22:01 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Thanks for the offer. I think itmay make sense when I've skills, a device and/or useful feedback
22:01 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I suppose the chat is one-topic-grounded
22:52 <f_[xmpp]> nmxc: theres sometimes some offtopic chatter
22:52 <f_[xmpp]> *there's
22:57 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Have you tried Moonlight/Sunshine? 8ms latency min (LAN). It allows remotely do PC stuff on any device, incl. PostmarketOS
22:57 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The combo is Open-Source
22:58 <f_[xmpp]> nope
22:58 <f_[xmpp]> Never tried
22:59 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, may take into consideration if/when needed
23:01 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> In the future with better Mobox, or proper ARM's X86, maybe it won't be needed anymore
23:02 <f_[xmpp]> buuut
23:03 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> But what?
23:04 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> You see, pure X86 concerns me with its huge CVEs that nobody wants to truly fix, ARM isn't as "holesome"
23:23 <f_[xmpp]/h> But this https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/4934 https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/pmaports/-/merge_requests/5097
23:23 <f_[xmpp]/h> re moonlight and stuff
23:23 <f_[xmpp]/h> I agree that x86 is the past
23:24 <f_[xmpp]/h> ARM and RISC-V are the future
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23:41 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Long-term future??? No guarantees (see: Neural Organoids)
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23:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Or rather, let's make it easy to see this one by:
23:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWCryxkixKw
23:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I don't know all the details what the world could be in 2077, but it sure will not be the same as today
23:47 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Short-term future, well, hopefully ARM/RISC-V will be having a good time
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