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09:17 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Was it too much???
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15:52 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: what?
17:55 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Data-dense, quantity, topic difficulty.
17:59 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I literally operate in terabytes and in thousands of records. Typical updates of the game collection are 1.4TB per month, RSS has 20–40K articles, YouTube on 4K followed subscriptions, ~Titanic~ Twitter is in 2K, etc, & ~70TB of storage to hold data.
18:00 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> So it's kind of hard to sense
18:01 <hax[xor]> ARM and RISC-V may be the future, but that doesn't mean they're all that great :P
18:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: I was just sleeping :P
18:04 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> of course, in the far future HaxCPU®™ will be a thing
18:04 <hax[xor]> likely before RISC-V manages to replace amd64 (which probably won't happen but whatever) :P
18:05 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Sleep is sure unavoidable 🙃
18:06 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> What is great? I see no perfection except in pure fantasy
18:08 <hax[xor]> great < perfect
18:10 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Or greatness for that matter
18:11 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> What's great for one case might be nightmare and/or flawed for another case
18:11 <hax[xor]> fine. ARM and RISC-V aren't all that good.
18:12 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Like, I know on RISC-V, but what do you mean exactly?
18:13 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Know from "RISC-V Week: 7 days only using RISC-V computers," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na6PT4npsMg
18:13 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> They are for skilled Linuxoids for now
18:13 <hax[xor]> I meant overall as a CPU :P
18:14 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Ah, OK
18:14 <hax[xor]> which was infact unrelated to program support for it
18:14 <hax[xor]> that will change as they rise and fall in popularity
18:15 <hax[xor]> fun fact, even though HaxCPU isn't even usable yet, it's already got several advantages over them :P :P :P
18:16 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Oh, you're an architect, I suppose (?), that's cool
18:16 <hax[xor]> depends on how you define that
18:16 <hax[xor]> nothing professionally :P
18:18 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Like, many musicians aren't "professional" per se but their stuff is cool and they're skilled
18:18 <hax[xor]> in that case yes I am designing some CPUs
18:18 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Guess means you wouldn't have any issues completing https://store.steampowered.com/app/1444480/Turing_Complete/
18:18 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Nice
18:19 <hax[xor]> sure I would, 1) it's on steam, 2) it's on steam, and 3) that's a steam link
18:19 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> It's on GOG also, you know…
18:20 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Anyways the point is the subject is design
18:20 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Are you self-thought?
18:21 <hax[xor]> self-taught? in most stuff I know.
18:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *taught
18:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Irregular verbs are tricky 🙃
18:21 <hax[xor]> and that most stuff does entirely include CPU-related
18:21 <hax[xor]> english is insane :P
18:21 <hax[xor]> though not the most insane
18:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> So, self, cool
18:22 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> "Insane" or not, as long as it doesn't cause too much trouble I may OK that
18:23 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Not like we can learn all the languages to speak to all the people, some common thing has to be
18:23 <hax[xor]> yep
18:23 <hax[xor]> also s/may/am/ :P
18:41 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> > sure I would,
18:41 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, what do you usually use then? Zoom Software, Itch.io, ~GameStop~ or?
18:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I use GOG, we buy stuff as a collective, then we preserve it locally
18:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I got no ~US$3–5K per month to handle it solo, that'll be too unreasonable
18:47 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *Zoom Platform
19:06 <hax[xor]> none of the above :P
19:06 <hax[xor]> apt, or repos the game comes from :P
19:19 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, lucky to be so fulfilled by the repos alone
19:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> To me, they don't harbour the diverse range of experiences that I seek, not so lucky: That what happens when trying to touch the Sun
19:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Perhaps keep on being so, it's nice too
19:21 <hax[xor]> by repos I meant usually git sources of the game, not apt's repos
19:22 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *Perhaps you can
19:22 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Ah, limiting nevertheless but OK
19:23 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> It's like on headphones, sure I like what Pioneer HDJ-X7 can do, but if a person is happy by a few US$ earbuds, cool for them. I cannot turn back from this, it won't feel right
19:24 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Sometimes always being small is better
19:31 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> By the way anything good on antigrav racing or cool new to tell?
19:35 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Open-Source.
20:08 <hax[xor]> not really limiting as long as 1) the source is available, and 2) the source isn't broken so as to be uncompilable or such :P
20:08 <hax[xor]> and since there's no libre games where the source isn't available, point 1 isn't a problem
20:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Limiting as in virtual experiences: Many game categories lack _any_ Open-Source alikes.
20:45 <hax[xor]> not problematic though :P
20:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> E.g., there are no Open-Source "Deathgrip," "Superhot" or "Rain World:"
20:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> https://youtu.be/cM3NZSwjSMU
20:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> https://youtu.be/rFAqvOASQrs
20:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> https://youtu.be/kxbQy0U92R4
20:47 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> > not problematic though :P
20:47 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Lucky
20:48 <hax[xor]> don't play proprietary games, problem solved :D :P
20:49 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Yeah, if only it was easy to all the folks
20:49 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Long-term gaming experience from NES to today has its price, you know
20:53 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Considering you'll never touch "Rain World" (also it is _very_ hard to play right), I think it might be interesting to witness the most complex virtual ecosystem on the whole planet, a documentary-style video (23 minutes):
20:53 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> https://youtu.be/GMx8OsTDHfM
20:53 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I'm yet to see anything alike rising again, it's too hard to make right
20:55 <f_[xmpp]> oh yes I play proprietary games every day
20:55 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Dark Souls 1 has a much lower drop off / completion rate than this nightmare 🙃
20:56 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The only way it could be worse is by adding PiShock's physical non-virtual shock on any death 🙃
20:58 <f_[xmpp]> never on PC though
20:58 <f_[xmpp]> Mostly on Wii and its emulators :)
20:59 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, speaking of the Nintendo stuff, it seems the corp is in rampage once again: https://torrentfreak.com/nintendo-targets-switch-emulators-suyu-nuzu-uzuy-torzu-and-sudachi-240710/
20:59 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> yeah I don't like Nintendo at all
21:00 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Greed has cursed it
21:00 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Not just for this
21:00 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Ah?
21:00 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> for everything anti-consumer they've done during the years
21:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> They're not the only ones though.
21:01 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Yeah, hard not to know on not the only ones cursed, it's very loud
21:01 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Microsoft.
21:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Region locking was and still is an extremely stupid idea
21:02 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> My Wii is region-free thanks to homebrew though.
21:02 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Bought many companies, then goes on destruction spree, where the devs of "Dishonored" and (successfull) "Hi-Fi Rush" are no more.
21:02 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> And then there is Embracer Group, no good too.
21:02 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Oh, region locking, yeah, that's crap.
21:03 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I am screwed by Sony with my PSP Go that I got from a relative and I cannot buy anything legally for it, so, the relative had installed what can run ISOs on it
21:03 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Sony shouldn't have done that
21:04 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> PPSSPP is not the same what true hardware can do
21:05 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> And then music/movies get region locked, that sucks too
21:08 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *Sony shouldn't have disabled PSN
21:13 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> > My Wii is region-free thanks to homebrew though.
21:13 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Is it still good in 2024?
21:26 <f_[xmpp]/h> yup
21:26 <f_[xmpp]/h> Still good in 2024
21:27 <f_[xmpp]/h> At some point I got Debian to run on that thing
21:27 <f_[xmpp]/h> Could host my IRC bouncer if I really wanted :)
21:28 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Debian on Wii, cool.
21:29 <f_[xmpp]/h> yup
21:29 <f_[xmpp]/h> It was Jessie though IIRC
21:29 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Meanwhile my PS3 is basically a potato, its controllers are very dead today (not to say there is anything left to play on it anyways).
21:29 <f_[xmpp]/h> seriously though, the Wii only has 88 MB of RAM and a PowerPC 750CL
21:30 <f_[xmpp]/h> still, the games that run there are of quite ok quality :)
21:30 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> My relative _truly_ liked to play Borderlands 1/2 on it, that what made the controllers wear off too much 🙃
21:30 <f_[xmpp]/h> lol
21:30 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> 88MB RAM, hardcore
21:31 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Around 30 games on BluRays, still kept
21:31 <f_[xmpp]/h> I guess the Arm CPU in the ATI Hollywood GPU does some of the heavy lifting
21:31 <hax[xor]> 88MB was huge, nobody needs more than 1MB anyways
21:31 <hax[xor]> s/was/is/
21:32 <f_[xmpp]/h> hax: even for 2006 standards it wasn't all that huge
21:33 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Huh, the specs say PSP Go has 64MB 🙃
21:33 <f_[xmpp]> heh
21:34 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Did you own Sega Dreamcast too?
21:34 <hax[xor]> f_[xmpp]: it's still 88 times that 1MB figure nobody needs more than :P
21:34 <f_[xmpp]> don't have one :(
21:35 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I see. I keep "revived one" for historical reasons with partial "revived" library, used to have another one (we sold it), nobody wrote what games owned
21:36 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> It was fun back then
21:37 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Kinda sad that e.g. nintendo discontinued the Wii :(
21:38 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Yes, it is sad
21:38 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> and did that to the Wii U too although it wasn't quite as successful as the Wii
21:38 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I'm very viased, I'm a collector after all
21:38 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *biased
21:39 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, Switch seems to be quite successful now, that's something, and Valve made Steamdeck in response
21:39 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Steamdeck runs some WINE and Linux, that's I think is good
21:39 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> the switch isn't as fun
21:39 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I don't know, perhaps
21:40 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> even though it has "Wi" on it
21:40 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> you need to deal with all that "Switch Online" junk
21:41 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> to play on emulators
21:41 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> It's fair to say the market and how we see it has changed
21:41 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> the UI is extremely boring
21:41 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Oversimplified
21:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I don't know, if (I totally speculate) your Wii was in childhood, well, it was a simpler time, and it is tinted by "it was fun" nostalgia today
21:42 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> no music :(
21:42 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> It's unknown how you could see Switch from a blank state
21:43 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Even the Wii U had a better UI
21:43 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> that said the Switch being portable and at the same time being able to play on your TV is nice
21:44 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> But the mechanics....
21:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> What "no music," it has no music player? Can Wii play FLAC, is its DAC good? PSP Go's DAC is a tiny bit noisy, and it supposedly cannot play nor has enough space for FLAC
21:44 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> nmxc: I mean background music on the menu
21:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> In my X7 I cannot go well on poor DACs, it'll be too annoying
21:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Oh.
21:44 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> OK.
21:45 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I can see that, a part of atmosphere
21:45 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> The Wii had a nice one
21:45 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> > But the mechanics....
21:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Also it has a defective issue with controllers, reportedly
21:46 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Recalled that just right now 🙃
21:47 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Right, "the joy-con drift problem," that's its name
21:50 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Wait does it mean you have good physique? Nintendo Wii games were famous for their unusual controls. Well, nice! Mine is "not stellar by any means in arm terms" (but running is OK), which means I won't be able to run some cool VR stuff
22:06 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I mean
22:07 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Most Wii games are motion-driven
22:07 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> It's natural
22:07 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Also yeah the Switch's joy-cons have issues
22:17 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The good news for the future is Half Effect exists, sticks won't drift
22:18 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> And we also will have aptX Lossless Codec for decent quality wireless audio, which looks good too
22:30 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> If interested, I do maintain a private XMPP "news" channel with articles on that stuff. Like, too much occurs to fit in into a chat flow, you know
22:34 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> *Hall Effect
22:35 <hax[xor]> > codec for wireless audio
22:35 <hax[xor]> eeeehhhh? why does the transmission method effect the codec like that
22:48 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Well, you know, classic wireless using Lossy codecs, and it shows
22:50 <hax[xor]> so just transmit non-lossy codecs over wireless, problem solved?
22:50 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> If only it was so easy in Bluetooth's Hellplace
22:51 <hax[xor]> you can transfer arbitrary data over bluetooth, so yes it is :P
22:51 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I don't know why but all the wireless audio is _always_ re-encoded, so Lossy MP3 goes re-encoded over anothee Lossy
22:51 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> It's nonsensical
22:51 <hax[xor]> the problem is that the thing playing it must also support it, but that's even less likely to happen when inventing a new format for it
22:52 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> aptX Lossless' own codec is better though
22:52 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Oh, yeah, the support a good point
22:52 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Bluetooth sucks, let say, it does
22:52 <hax[xor]> if it's better then it's better and should be used for non-wireless too
22:52 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> But modern headphone jacks on phones are fragile garbage nowadays
22:53 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Corpos go cheap where it mustn't be
22:53 <hax[xor]> yep
22:53 * hax[xor] doesn't listen to music from a phone
22:53 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Why for non-wireless? It's inferiour to pure data
22:54 <hax[xor]> are you implying wired connections have infinite bandwidth, ram, and storage?
22:54 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Actually a good question
22:55 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Technically it sends what a DAC does, hmmm, let see
22:56 <hax[xor]> actually
22:56 <hax[xor]> since this is talking about the headphone jacks and such, yeah analog signals are good
22:57 <hax[xor]> and wireless can't do that bc interference
22:57 <hax[xor]> however, such lossless formats you'd be sending wirelessly to the speakers should also be good for storage and internet transmission
22:59 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> OK, I fail to find the data 🙃
23:07 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Let see otherwise, a usual DAC can do 24-bit 192KHz, so it's at least 9,216.0Kbps (1.152MBps) for Coaxial/Optical
23:08 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> Some DACs state absurd 768KHz by USB/I2S, it's 36,864Kbps (4.608MBps)
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23:11 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> You know, let's just by an article on this aptX/etc:
23:11 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> https://www.soundguys.com/understanding-bluetooth-codecs-15352/
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23:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> > good for storage
23:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> ffmpeg -vn -compression_level 12 -exact_rice_parameters 1
23:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> > [for] internet transmission
23:21 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> opusenc --bitrate 192
23:23 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> The 1st is for FLAC's maximum spacesaving, the 2nd is OPUS, both are great and, importantly, are Open-Source
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