Chat logs of #funderscore for Saturday, 2024-07-13
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09:56 <f_/h> hi I'm back
09:56 <f_/h> From my IRC bouncer this time
09:56 <f_/h> And oh boy is that XMPP bridge messy
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12:17 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> In what sense? It does appear to re-send the messages correctly for now.
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12:30 <JAA/h> > <@rxbridge> <Mb/rx> <nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> In what sense?
12:30 <JAA/h> In that sense.
12:33 <Mb> 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> I see.
12:34 * Mb 02<nmxc/XMPP-cvdo> renamed themself to "dip" & switched to a local bridge, sending this last old-name message to notify
12:34 <JAA/h> Oh boy
12:35 <dip> Canada's server jurisdiction, I see, quite a "funny" place in regards to "data management"
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12:57 <dip> Does anyone know why are its georestrictions on e.g. Deezer the music service so-so harsh? It's worser than Australia or Poland.
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13:15 <f_> dip: hey hi
13:15 <dip> f_: Hi.
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13:16 <dip> Mystery!
13:16 <f_[xmpp]> dip: btw we have an XMPP-to-IRC bridge
13:16 <f_[xmpp]> channel@rx.trans.vitali64.duckdns.org
13:16 <dip> Oh well, I see.
13:16 <f_[xmpp]> This user is connected through it
13:17 <f_> > (350) -- f_[xmpp] is connected via the biboumi WebIRC gateway
13:17 <f_> s/Web//
13:17 <f_> :P
13:17 <f_> we also have a NickServ which doesn't work on biboumi because
13:18 <hax[xor]> .c 'IRC' > 'XMPP'
13:18 <hax[xor]> right no lurk here
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13:19 <hax[xor]> .c 'IRC' > 'XMPP'
13:19 <lurk> hax[xor]: True
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13:19 <f_> .c 'XMPP' == 'IRC '
13:19 <lurk> f_: False
13:19 <f_> .c 'XMPP' == 'IRC'
13:19 <lurk> f_: False
13:19 <dip> XMPP's chat has only one permanent user, the bridge itself.
13:19 <f_> :P
13:19 <f_> dip: yeah
13:19 <f_> I'm there currently too
13:20 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> hi
13:20 <hax[xor]> f_: you may also notice I skewed the results there by adding formatting to change the result :P
13:20 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> didn't see it
13:20 <hax[xor]> 'twas ^O
13:20 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> come join us on XMPP please
13:21 <dip> I did use an undocumented feature: Empty space in the name allows to read logs totally invisibly.
13:23 <dip> I don't get what the "screwed" formatting/results are. Maybe I'm not looking the right way and need more caffeine/music.
13:23 <hax[xor]> skewed, not screwed
13:23 <dip> Oopsie!
13:24 <dip> "Changed to an unusual factor," built-in EN Collins said. Oh well.
13:30 <hax[xor]> yeah about right
13:34 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> lol
13:34 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> runxiyu: join on xmpp chat@
13:34 <runxiyu> not now
13:36 <dip> I may invite 2 of my peers from 2 different countries onto chat@ after ~6–12 months, maybe. 🤔
13:39 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> 🤔
13:42 <dip> Let say, one is an ~Otherkin~ DJ, another is an analytical Cyberhead, both aren't too wordy.
13:47 <dip> Well, Otherkins may've unique skills beyeond what's "human," like phantom wings that are fully controllable in VR by EEG with the right avatar (that I do keep). They are among you, you just don't see.
13:47 <dip> It's not a choice to them, it's a given, it's just here.
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15:45 <Larsenv/h> "Kinda sad that e.g. nintendo discontinued the Wii :("
15:46 <Larsenv/h> just use WiiLink and Wiimmfi
15:46 <f_/h> I do use Wiimmfi and WiiLink/RiiConnect24
15:46 <Larsenv/h> well I actually created RiiConnect24
15:46 <Larsenv/h> so
15:46 <Larsenv/h> not joking I actually did
15:46 <f_/h> oh?
15:46 <Larsenv/h> yes
15:47 <f_/h> proof? :P
15:47 <f_/h> wait let me look that up
15:47 <Larsenv/h> https://www.wiilink24.com/news/2023-12-29-issue-19/
15:48 <f_/h> oh
15:48 <f_/h> Well great that you were behind this
15:48 <f_/h> But not so great that you left :(
15:49 <f_/h> https://larsenv.xyz/ is that your website?
15:49 <Larsenv/h> well, you know, there was a lot of drama, but I'm the reason they are where they are today
15:49 <Larsenv/h> yes
15:49 <Larsenv/h> the main page is only 1 page
15:49 <f_/h> doesn't list Hackint, hmm
15:49 <Larsenv/h> I thought I put that under my archival work
15:49 <Larsenv/h> oh I didnt
15:49 <f_/h> Well nice to meet you even if first time was a bit rude lol
15:50 <Larsenv/h> yes
15:50 <Larsenv/h> :-)
15:50 <Larsenv/h> likewise
15:50 <f_/h> If you actually hate me a lot consider joining #funderscore-sucks :P
15:50 <Larsenv/h> what is your favorite channel
15:51 <f_/h> I have none
15:51 <Larsenv/h> oh
15:51 <f_/h> I join channels because I have interest in them :)
15:51 <Larsenv/h> I meant wii channel dude
15:51 <f_/h> Ahh
15:51 <f_/h> Well that too :P
15:52 <Larsenv/h> do you know what mariocube is
15:52 <f_/h> yup
15:52 <Larsenv/h> I also created that
15:52 <f_/h> oh nice
15:52 <Larsenv/h> and I still maintain it
15:52 <f_/h> cool
15:53 <Larsenv/h> IU guess you know it for the wads
15:53 <Larsenv/h> *I
15:53 <f_/h> yeah
15:53 <Larsenv/h> we also have disc based games
15:53 <Larsenv/h> http://games.mariocube.com/
15:54 <Larsenv/h> dont know if you knew that?
15:54 <f_/h> Cool, but Google Drive :/
15:55 <Larsenv/h> whats your issue with google drive? are you anti-google and dont got an account?
15:55 <f_/h> Don't really like it
15:55 <f_/h> Not quite anti-google, because their work on e.g. U-Boot and coreboot is quite valuable
15:58 <Larsenv/h> what are those
15:59 <f_/h> coreboot is a FOSS firmware that replaces the proprietary BIOS in computers
15:59 <f_/h> U-Boot is a bootloader
16:00 <f_/h> and can also do what coreboot does with something called "U-Boot SPL"
16:00 <f_/h> Google have made quite a lot of improvements in u-boot
16:00 <f_/h> And now we have binman etc etc :)
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17:00 <dip> > If you actually hate me a lot consider joining #funderscore-sucks :P
17:00 <dip> Wait, is it for critique? Peculiar.
17:01 <dip> Or is just _"actually_ hate?" If the 2nd, unfortunate.
17:01 * hax[xor] looks at user count
17:01 <hax[xor]> looks like there's more there than here, and certainly not everyone there actually hates f_
17:01 <dip> What a life to be in!
17:01 <f_> hax[xor]: there's more tere because most are joined multiple times on different sides of the bridge
17:01 <f_> *there
17:02 <hax[xor]> true
17:02 <hax[xor]> but why not here too :P
17:02 <f_> Just count how many f_'s there is
17:03 <dip> > Larsenv/h:
17:03 <dip> > we also have disc based games
17:03 <dip> Why not HTTPS? It's 2024, Let's Encrypt is free. Also, that's piracy.
17:03 <hax[xor]> #f_-bloats-channel-lists
17:03 <f_> hax[xor]: yes
17:03 <Larsenv/h> I am talking to you view there
17:03 <Larsenv/h> dip it works with https I just got a habit of removing the s
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17:03 <hax[xor]> dip: it's 2024. HTTP is still bloated regardless of how many Ss you attach. :P
17:03 <dip> Well, at least the page just leads to other links, works without JavaScript, so not too big problem.
17:04 <Larsenv/h> also who cares if its piracy I cant buy some of these games unless I pay ridiculous prices
17:04 <dip> Well, bloated, sure, the web is a mess.
17:04 <Larsenv/h> at least its not switch games
17:04 <Larsenv/h> nintendo would go after me for tht
17:04 <hax[xor]> (though when the alternative is HTTP, sure HTTPS is usually better)
17:04 <Larsenv/h> that
17:04 <f_> Well technically you can't buy Wii games from Nintendo anymore
17:04 <dip> Well, we as a group, we buy games cooperatively. GOG.com's games.
17:04 <f_> All you can do is either download them from some website or look for some on eBay
17:05 <dip> But yeah, I see, Nintendo isn't as accessible and all.
17:05 <f_> and in both cases none of the money goes to Nintendo
17:05 <Larsenv/h> yes exactly
17:05 <Larsenv/h> panasonic (the company that made the discs) quit making pressed discs this year and the last wii game was pressed in 2019, 2020 for wii u (this is different than the release date)
17:05 <dip> Also we still cannot find Super Game Jam's 5 Short Games, it's just gone forever. We have all the products in local preservation except this.
17:06 <dip> Panasonic, huh, I see.
17:06 <Larsenv/h> yes panasonic pressed every official gc/wii/wiiu game
17:07 <f_> interesting
17:07 <Larsenv/h> I think cartridges to this day are pressed in japan by a company joint owned by foxconn + sharp
17:07 <Larsenv/h> thats what I gathered
17:07 <dip> I see.
17:07 <Larsenv/h> and we have figured out this code on the back of panasonic discs to check the date
17:07 <Larsenv/h> https://disc.rc24.xyz/
17:08 <dip> How do you know you missed no game, updates, do you have a tracker?
17:08 <Larsenv/h> well we have almost every game we know exists
17:08 <Larsenv/h> http://redump.org/
17:08 <Larsenv/h> (yes, redmp doesnt do https)_
17:08 <Larsenv/h> *redump
17:08 <Larsenv/h> there's just some demo discs we dont own
17:08 <dip> I base mine on GOG API, but Nintendo doesn't reportedly have.
17:09 <Larsenv/h> and revisions of games which are hard to track down
17:09 <dip> I see.
17:09 <Larsenv/h> or you can use https://gametdb.com/ for covers
17:09 <dip> Well, hard, yeah, the Internet can be like that.
17:09 <Larsenv/h> I wish we got a master list of every game pressed
17:09 <Larsenv/h> we got something like that for the ds
17:09 <dip> I see.
17:09 <Larsenv/h> wii u db is private
17:10 <dip> My tracker and GOG API are public, and it grows year-by-year.
17:10 <Larsenv/h> opera gx is bad
17:11 <dip> GOG takes around 20TB, 5,426 products, 272 upcoming.
17:12 <Larsenv/h> is it a romset?
17:12 <dip> No, it's not.
17:12 <dip> https://www.gog.com
17:12 <Larsenv/h> its just a gamestore right
17:12 <Larsenv/h> thats what I thought
17:12 <dip> Run by the "Cyberpunk 2077" creators.
17:12 <Larsenv/h> just like steam + epic games
17:12 <dip> No.
17:12 <Larsenv/h> ok then why does every game have a price
17:13 <dip> These aren't offering offline installers.
17:13 <dip> The core difference.
17:13 <Larsenv/h> I do not follow
17:13 <dip> The only alike is Zoom Platform, but they're small.
17:15 <dip> You do not own anything on Steam or Epic Store, you do not own the right to keep what you bought, you just own the license to play until they decide to terminate your account or remove a game for any reason, or force bad game updates, forever bound to online.
17:16 <dip> GOG allows to keep, no account needed after download, the bad updates are no worry, offline OK.
17:16 <hax[xor]> steam allows offline usage too, which as a side effect also allows keeping and not updating regardless of what they do on their end
17:17 <hax[xor]> not to say steam is good ofc :P
17:17 <dip> So when a publisher destroyed "Skylar & Plux" from being bought, I didn't lose access, when "Saints Row IV" pushed a bad update, I'm not affected.
17:18 <dip> Steam, formally you're right, practically it is a headache though with many quirks to force it to be so.
17:18 <dip> Also my Windows 7 is no longer supported on it.
17:19 <dip> And it's only a matter of time until the old client becomes a green potato that won't function.
17:20 <hax[xor]> unless steam put some expiration years into the client, that won't happen if you don't let it update :P
17:21 <dip> The only Steam game I still do keep is Unreal Tournament 3, it can run standalone Steamless. I bought it 3 times in my life: A disc (outdated), Steam (lost my acc.), finally Steam.
17:22 <dip> With Open-Source OpenAL Soft's HRTF, this game gives the most life-like immersive sound one can ever hear.
17:23 * hax[xor] doubts
17:23 <dip> Oh, you do? Well, let's put it to trial in action if you can.
17:25 <hax[xor]> either it's lossless so the lifelike immersiveness is limited by the speakers (so "ever" is wrong because better speakers will exist, and eventually the accuracy of that will fade out :P), or it's not and it's thereby already problematic
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17:28 <dip> Though, it may fail flat if your head is not exactly IRC 1037 (16.2cm × 23cm × 19.6cm), that what the player is using:
17:28 <dip> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2mVezyjyEU
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17:29 <dip> Must be heard in 2.0 headphones only, effects like Dolby Atmos must be disabled.
17:29 <hax[xor]> don't have a working set of heatphones right now and I can guarantee you they aren't the most lifelike if they worked
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17:30 <dip> Bad headphones can work too. No difference.
17:30 <dip> Well, earbuds, no?
17:30 <hax[xor]> then yes silcense is indeed a lifelike realistic immitation of silence :P
17:31 <hax[xor]> and no I don't have any of those
17:31 <dip> Well, how unlucky.
17:32 <hax[xor]> regardless, I can guarantee you that a youtube recording of some OpenAL Soft HRTF isn't going to defy physics... though I suppose you're being sarcastic
17:33 <dip> You may try to ridicule it all you want, but the exceptional results speak louder than words. I can pinpoint the exact location of every NPC on the map and every shot direction, and it helped to rise the difficulty above what I'd before.
17:34 <dip> No more I get crashed by "surprise!" shots from the back.
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17:36 <dip> I can hear music with wide soundstage like Open-Back headphone users, plus I can widen or shrink as much as I desire, I can hear all the 5.1 audio of movies like in a cinema, and I can go hear like a bat in the physical world if I want to.
17:36 <dip> That's a serious tech.
17:36 <dip> https://leomccormack.github.io/sparta-site/docs/plugins/ultrasonicsuperhearing/#UltrasonicSuperHearing
17:37 <dip> > I suppose you're being sarcastic
17:37 <dip> I never am.
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17:46 <f_> who +qqv :P
17:46 <hax[xor]> #f_'s-client-sucks :P
17:46 <f_> nope
17:46 <hax[xor]> if it didn't you'd know who did it
17:46 <f_> I do know.
17:46 <hax[xor]> fair then
17:46 <dip> I may be kidding/tricking lightly, I use "🙃" as a sign in this case.
17:46 <f_> it's runxiyu, no idea why
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17:47 <dip> Life has its ways.
17:50 <dip> At least nobody gets yeeted out of existence by a glitchy body tracker like in VR. 🙃
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17:57 <f_[tlng]> testing thelounge
17:58 <dip> Mant future games may have _no graphics,_ folks:
17:58 <dip> https://www.theverge.com/24153919/audio-games-papa-sangre-vergecast
17:58 <dip> That's what we can do now.
17:58 <f_> Insane
17:58 <f_> or I probably read that wrong
17:58 <dip> Yes, it is unbelievable, but it is grounded in science on how we hear.
17:59 <dip> Zero graphics, only sound.
17:59 <f_> That's nice
17:59 <dip> It's the same how you can walk in a room and hear what's where and don't accidentally walk into a fridge with closed eyes.
17:59 <f_> I'm sure some visually impaired people would be having fun on these games :)
18:00 <f_> just like people that aren't blind :)
18:01 <hax[xor]> unfortunately, people appreciate seeing
18:01 <dip> I'm more interested in the fact humans can learn echolocation. Combine HRTF plus echolocation and here it is, a bat simulator, a unique game experience "to see" what nobody seen before in pure darkness.
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18:01 <runxiyu> f_: consistency, | -> ::
18:01 <hax[xor]> especially those with reduced hearing capacity
18:01 *** f_ changes topic to '<fireonlive> funderscore is a hoover max extract pressure pro model 60 | free palestine :: https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC :: logs: https://irc.vitali64.duckdns.org/rx/funderscore/ :: also on hackint, tilde.chat and XMPP :: have fun! :D'
18:01 <dip> The conceot is not marketable, it needs ~2 months to learn.
18:01 <f_> That is intentional
18:02 <runxiyu> ok
18:02 <f_> <part1> | <part2>
18:02 <hax[xor]> also you were missing a :
18:02 <runxiyu> oh
18:02 <f_> part2: <subpart1> :: <subpart2> :: etc
18:02 <runxiyu> my hands
18:02 <dip> Well, good news is we do know a bit more on hearing loss.
18:02 <dip> Maybe would recover that.
18:02 <f_> Ihope
18:02 * hax[xor] likes using his eyes
18:02 <f_> I hope*
18:02 <runxiyu> <topic> ::= <part 1> | <part 1> " | " <part 2>
18:03 <dip> Someday, not today. It can come from the damage to nerves and tiny hairs, reportedly.
18:03 <hax[xor]> even if I learned to be able to play stuff without graphics, I'd still not want to go without it
18:03 <runxiyu> <part 2> ::= <octets> | <octets> " :: " <part 2>
18:03 <dip> I can drop articles but they're just words, not cure yet.
18:03 <runxiyu> <part 1> ::= <octets>
18:03 <runxiyu> except that <octets> can't contain \r, \n, or \0
18:03 <dip> Oh you do you, hax[xor], I don't mind that.
18:04 <hax[xor]> you're also suggesting games would switch to entirely audio and no visuals
18:04 <dip> As a gaming collector, all I mind is, well, new experiences.
18:04 <dip> Some many may, it just how it goes.
18:05 <dip> We have Soulslikes now, you know, that's too how it goes.
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18:06 <runxiyu> f_[tlng]: Please, for the most part, don't use the The Lounge client on other networks
18:06 <f_[tlng]> I only connected to Hackint
18:06 <dip> Perhaps saying "many" was a misnomer. 🤔
18:06 <dip> *a few
18:06 <f_[tlng]> And only joined #funderscore channels
18:06 <dip> Fixed.
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18:30 <dip> Wait a minute, what about quests, hax[xor]???
18:30 <dip> Classic quests, textual only.
18:30 <runxiyu> ?
18:30 <hax[xor]> dip: I prefer reading to listening to audio
18:31 <runxiyu> oh
18:31 <runxiyu> i read quests as guests
18:31 <runxiyu> adventure is always quite good
18:31 <dip> I see.
18:31 <runxiyu> hax[xor]: i think we tried playing it over irc once?
18:31 <dip> Yes, guests we go! 🙃
18:31 <hax[xor]> runxiyu: yeah
18:32 <hax[xor]> runxiyu: could try it again, idr what was wrong with it though
18:32 <dip> Now, on TXT RP, just saying, I'm no good and I'll pass: You do you.
18:32 <hax[xor]> prob just general brokenness
18:32 <runxiyu> at that time it might be stdout buffering
18:32 <hax[xor]> hmmmm
18:32 <runxiyu> and we used broken python stdinbots?
18:33 <runxiyu> some ii+awk setup should suffice, right
18:34 <hax[xor]> "should"
18:34 <runxiyu> :P
18:34 <hax[xor]> heh heh heh "we should use pyserv for it"
18:34 <hax[xor]> just modify the stdin loop a bit, trim out the extra prints, add one for messages to a specific channel, and run it in unbuffered mode :P
18:35 <runxiyu> though the format of the game itself should be fit for irc: one line per input, etc
18:37 <runxiyu> gn
18:37 <hax[xor]> gn
18:41 <dip> 'Night to you!
18:42 <dip> Hopefully I would see what this thing is.
19:04 <dip> I'm in the UTC +12–14 timezone spiced by a chaotic sleep "schedule," so no night for me. 🙃
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23:31 <dip> Any dog owners here?
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