Chat logs of #funderscore for Sunday, 2024-07-14
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10:58 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> aria-net.org hosts an XMPP->Matrix bridge
10:59 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> seems to work way better than matrix.org's bridge
10:59 <hax[xor]> but does IRC<->XMPP<->Matrix work better than IRC<->Matrix?
11:00 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Good day!
11:00 <hax[xor]> hi
11:00 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> hiya Schimon :D
11:00 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> here you go :)
11:00 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Ahaha! Thank you!
11:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I absolutely trust you for admin :)
11:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> (and want at least 2/3 mods on each side of the bridge :P)
11:01 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> I will enjoy it as long as we are a smaller community. Once it is big enough, I would rather not having it due to the jurisdiction to which I am a subject of.
11:02 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Thank you for the trust! I will enjoy it as long as we are a smaller community. Once it is big enough, I would rather not having it due to the jurisdiction to which I am a subject of.
11:04 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> TBH most are on IRC :)
11:04 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Still a small community :)
11:05 <hax[xor]> if you found f_ clones alone it's not all that small :P :P :P
11:05 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Schimon: btw channel is logged publicly
11:05 <hax[xor]> *count
11:05 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> hax[xor]: clones are allowed as long as they're not identical
11:05 <hax[xor]> f_: allowance wasn't my point :P
11:06 <hax[xor]> (s/point/joke/)
11:06 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> lol
11:06 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> well I need to be on each side of the bridge
11:06 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> And I have 2 bouncers so double the clones!
11:07 <f_[xmpp]> 7 f_'s in total I guess
11:07 <hax[xor]> 8
11:07 <f_[xmpp]> sure
11:07 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> I like this system! I looks good and works well!
11:07 <f_[xmpp]> ahh forgot f_[tlng] too
11:08 <f_[xmpp]> Schimon: which system?
11:08 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> And there is no need for sysadmin-type components to manage it.
11:08 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Thef_ridge
11:08 <f_[xmpp]> I don't like it :c
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13:57 <dip> > Any dog owners here?
13:57 <dip> Huh, silence. Alright, that means you won't know on the meanings of tail wag, how to make the dog talk, and expand their lifespan.
14:04 <Larsenv/h> My mom has 2 dogs and my uncle lives with her sadly. He has 1 dog aswell
14:04 <Larsenv/h> and my dad lives with a cat
14:05 <dip> The train was gone, moving on.
14:05 <Larsenv/h> https://photos.app.goo.gl/za8bo7v9sVx4nPi26
14:05 <dip> Ozzy Osbourne's train. 🙃
14:05 <Larsenv/h> baylee shes on the left
14:05 <dip> Schimon, how did you find this chat?
14:06 <Larsenv/h> wriglee hes on the right
14:06 <Larsenv/h> this is tinger
14:06 <Larsenv/h> https://photos.app.goo.gl/6pFMBAgbx47VQDfT8
14:07 <dip> Schimon is the syndication@ operator, in case some aren't aware.
14:22 <f_> Schimon wrote Slixfeed and other XMPP goodness :)
14:23 <f_> I'll actually invite Slixfeed in here
14:23 <f_> and actually upgrade it first
14:23 <f_[tlng]> TheLounge is quite ok
14:23 <dip> > Thank you for the trust! I will enjoy it as long as we are a smaller community. Once it is big enough, I would rather not having it due to the jurisdiction to which I am a subject of.
14:23 <dip> What, what? What is "big," Dunbar's number, 100–250? What's your jurisdiction? It did allow a pirated book. I'm confused even more than towards this chat's "prohibiting" piracy and then allowing Nintendo piracy.
14:24 *** f_ sets mode: +oa f_[tlng] f_[tlng]
14:24 <f_[tlng]> ok
14:24 <f_[tlng]> so I'll upgrade Slixfeed Schimon
14:24 <f_[tlng]> much awaited upgrade :)
14:24 <dip> I hope you use VMs to test.
14:25 <f_> test what?
14:25 <dip> That's the upgrade goes flawlessly.
14:26 <dip> Or wait, is Slixfeed software?
14:26 <f_> >pip seemed to fail to build package:
14:26 <f_> > XEdDSA
14:26 <f_> Slixfeed is an XMPP RSS syndication bot
14:26 <dip> Ah, fails already.
14:26 <f_> https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/slixfeed
14:26 <dip> Ah, I see. Yeah sure sounds like Schimon.
14:27 <f_> :)
14:27 <dip> I looked at it, then shrugged, no motivation/server to setup. 🙃
14:27 <Larsenv/h> Do you like our pets
14:28 <dip> I'm "trying" to activate my foreign anonymous card for like 6+ months, but it always is put away for one reason or another. 🙃
14:28 <dip> Not truly needed.
14:29 <f_/h> Larsenv: they're cute :)
14:30 <dip> I used to have Impreza's DMCA Free VPS, but later disabled it.
14:30 <f_[tlng]> I think I don't have cmake which is why it complains
14:30 <dip> Larsenv: Nice!
14:31 <Larsenv/h> Thank you, I thought you were gonna say something negative
14:31 <dip> Well, installing "build-utils" is like default.
14:31 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> > <dip/rx> I looked at it, then shrugged, no motivation/server to setup. 🙃
14:31 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Server is not needed for Slixfeed to operate.
14:31 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> You only need to register an XMPP account and hook it to Slixfeed.
14:31 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Once done, send to it URLs of a news and journal sites, and it will deliver updates to you.
14:31 <Noisytoot> I play only free (as in freedom) games
14:32 <Larsenv/h> You guys are really fans of funderscore if you speak this much in 2 channels
14:32 <f_[tlng]> Noisytoot: what? What does that have to do with anything? Wrong window?
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14:32 <Larsenv/h> Does he pay you to talk here
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14:32 <dip> *build-essential
14:32 <dip> Memory go faulty. 🙃
14:32 <f_[tlng]> *rebooting biboumi btw
14:32 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> > <f_/rx> >pip seemed to fail to build package:
14:33 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> I have added OMEMO support to the latest release.
14:33 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> You are not the first one to report this.
14:33 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Would you kindly send to me the error log?
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14:33 <dip> > Wrong window?
14:33 <dip> Might be high satellite latency of like many hours to respond. 🙃
14:33 *** f_|vdoXMPP is now known as f_[xmpp]
14:33 <Noisytoot> f_[tlng]: response to <f_[xmpp]> oh yes I play proprietary games every day and the surrounding conversation about non-free games
14:34 <f_[tlng]> ahh
14:34 <f_[tlng]> Well I play supertux on the Wii too
14:34 <dip> The Cyberhead I mentioned, they may respond to stuff from months back, like, I'm kind of "Ohkay."
14:34 <dip> Although they do quote
14:34 <dip> *quote.
14:34 <f_[tlng]> Schimon: Figured it out
14:35 <f_[tlng]> installed package Slixfeed 1.0, installed using Python 3.10.12
14:35 <f_[tlng]> These apps are now globally available
14:35 <f_[tlng]> - slixfeed
14:35 <f_[tlng]> done! ✨ 🌟 ✨
14:35 <dip> Great.
14:36 <dip> That's why I typically delay responses to issues like that for our gamepreservation team leader because some go "self-resolved" soon later. 🙃
14:39 <dip> With what RSSes is it up anyways, do you background check by https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ or?
14:40 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> no slixfeed?
14:41 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> rx: Great!
14:41 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> there it is
14:41 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> !version
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> 0.1.92
14:41 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Schimon: it's dip, not rx
14:41 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !help
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Available command keys:
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> all
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> action
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> backup
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> bookmarks
14:41 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> custom
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> filters
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> groupchat
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> manual
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> message
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> modification
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> options
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> preview
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> search
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> statistics
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
14:42 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Usage: `help <key>`
14:42 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Ha! It is the new version!
14:42 <f_> slow and noisy™
14:42 <f_> the bridge I mean
14:42 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> need to remember how to follow new feeds
14:43 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> !http://archlinux.org
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Syndication feeds found for http://archlinux.org
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : Arch Linux: Recent news updates
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : http://archlinux.org/feeds/news/
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : Arch Linux: Recent package updates
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : http://archlinux.org/feeds/packages/
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Total of 2 feeds.
14:43 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> The ones I want it to follow are https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/RecentChanges?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
14:43 <dip> Dip Me Down Slowly.
14:43 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> !http://postmarketos.org
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> > http://postmarketos.org/blog/feed.atom
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> News source "postmarketOS Blog" has been added to subscription list.
14:43 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> > https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
14:43 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> News source "f_MMWiki" has been added to subscription list.
14:43 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> yay!
14:44 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> !read https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> > https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Failed to load URL. Reason: 503
14:44 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> 503?
14:44 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> I will try again
14:44 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> !read https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
14:44 <dip> 503, huh, intentional (?).
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> > https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Failed to load URL. Reason: 503
14:44 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !read
14:44 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> !stats
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Statistics:
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> News items : 0/78
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> News sources : 2/2
14:44 <dip> This is strange.
14:44 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
14:44 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Let's wait for it.
14:45 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> I can try doing an edit in moin
14:45 <dip> Could it be formatting???
14:45 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> no idea
14:46 <dip> https://chatterboxtown.us:5443/upload/3daa20ef2fde5f7049901324bb81ce22ab837c96/PioRyrR4B70on6YrZtTQLyOLuk1j5I17wDzVts4R/Screenshot_20240714-144605_Feeder.jpg
14:46 <dip> Feeder the Open-Source F-Droid app complained on that.
14:46 <Larsenv/h> how much are you paid to talk on here
14:46 <f_[tlng]> yyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhh that's weird
14:46 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> f_: Did you know that I have asked MoinMoin to add XMPP PubSub support? https://github.com/moinwiki/moin/issues/1686
14:46 <f_[tlng]> I did know :)
14:47 <dip> Larsenv, clarify the recipient.
14:47 <Larsenv/h> Any of you
14:47 <dip> "You" is plural, singular "thou/thee" died.
14:47 <dip> Ah, I see.
14:47 <Larsenv/h> Any of thee
14:47 <f_[tlng]> Larsenv/h: I have a salary of $0 to talk on here
14:47 <dip> Same.
14:47 <Larsenv/h> anyone except f_
14:48 <f_[tlng]> I'm not f_, I'm f_[tlng], not the same :D:D:D
14:48 <Larsenv/h> what is rx
14:48 <f_[tlng]> (joking of course)
14:48 <Larsenv/h> is it a prescription
14:48 <f_[tlng]> Larsenv/h: tiny small IRC network
14:48 <Larsenv/h> sounds stupid
14:48 <f_[tlng]> it isn't
14:48 <f_[tlng]> It's fin
14:48 <f_[tlng]> fun*
14:48 <Larsenv/h> Just use hackint I quit using every other irc network
14:49 <f_[tlng]/h> Hackint is nice too
14:49 <f_[tlng]/h> I like decentralisation y'know?
14:49 <Larsenv/h> I dont
14:49 <dip> You do you.
14:49 <Larsenv/h> you probably like ketchup and ice cream together
14:49 <Larsenv/h> weirdo
14:49 <f_[tlng]/h> There's a reason why I bridge to Hackint
14:49 <f_[tlng]/h> and XMPP
14:49 <hax[xor]> rx is nicer than hackint in some ways
14:49 <Larsenv/h> Efnet is the worst one
14:49 <dip> Centralization, like having only 1 HDD and no backups, a no to me.
14:50 <dip> I'm a collector. 🙃
14:50 <Larsenv/h> its older than your grandma
14:50 <f_[tlng]/h> Larsenv: EFnet is greeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!
14:50 <f_[tlng]/h> Have fun with NICKLEN=9 and daily netsplits :D:D:D
14:51 <Larsenv/h> so is frosted flakes
14:51 <Larsenv/h> theyre grrrrrrrreat
14:51 <dip> > I thought you were gonna say something negative
14:51 <dip> I think I see why. You're yourself sort of, ehm, negative.
14:51 <Larsenv/h> Im not
14:51 <Larsenv/h> you are
14:51 <Larsenv/h> dip
14:51 <Larsenv/h> you were rude to our dogs
14:52 <f_[tlng]/h> dogs and cats are cute Larsenv
14:52 <dip> Well, "sounds stupid" is negative, so is the fork against centralization or the baseless "rude to dogs."
14:52 <f_[tlng]/h> ok can we stop?
14:52 <Larsenv/h> Are you an ai
14:52 <dip> *decentralization
14:52 <Larsenv/h> 😳
14:52 <f_/h> can we end this convo
14:52 <f_/h> please
14:52 *** f_/h sets mode: +o f_[tlng]/h
14:52 <Larsenv/h> what convo
14:52 <dip> hax[xor]: What ways?
14:53 <f_/h> this one about rude dogs and stuff
14:53 <Larsenv/h> I think Im speaking to llms
14:53 <Larsenv/h> who wants waffles
14:53 <hax[xor]> dip: it has fun server mayhem and stuff :P
14:53 <dip> Larsenv/h: Please stop.
14:53 <Larsenv/h> stop what
14:53 <f_/h> dip, Larsenv: stop it, both of you
14:53 <Larsenv/h> Stop what
14:53 <dip> hax[xor]: OK, great!
14:54 <Larsenv/h> Im confused
14:55 <f_[tlng]> let it be :P
14:55 <dip> Can the IRC server send messages selectively or edit on the fly? Like rising PasteBin for long send texts on the end line.
14:56 <f_[tlng]> dip: what do you mean "send selectively"?
14:56 <f_[tlng]> Message edits are not supported
14:56 <f_[tlng]> just do it dah sed style
14:56 <f_[tlng]> s/dah/the/
14:56 <dip> I mean so one person cannot see another by the operator's decision.
14:56 <hax[xor]> well, the server can do whatever it wants
14:57 <f_[tlng]> dip: InspIRCd (server software powering rx) has a module for that
14:57 <hax[xor]> which does include MITMing messages and editing them, yes; though we don't do that here
14:57 <f_[tlng]> yeah we don't log messages in PMs at all
14:57 <dip> For the record, I used to CEO an EVE Online corp, it was quite a time. 🙃
14:57 <f_[tlng]> Some of our custom services do log messages sent to some channels those services are joined to
14:57 <f_[tlng]> e.g. DuckServ
14:58 <f_[tlng]> DuckServ: HELP
14:58 <hax[xor]> well, PMs to the servs may be logged at times
14:58 <f_[tlng]> hax[xor]: No?
14:58 <dip> hax, I see then, I see. Makes sense.
14:58 <f_[tlng]> ah you mean to the custom services
14:58 <Larsenv/h> What is your opinion on twitter x
14:58 <f_[tlng]> Larsenv: avoid it
14:58 <hax[xor]> f_[tlng]: got any non-custom services in mind?
14:58 <Larsenv/h> Agreed
14:58 <hax[xor]> f_[tlng]: also atheme has had logging enabled at times in the past
14:58 <f_[tlng]> hax[xor]: former atheme
14:58 <hax[xor]> (for debugging purposes, ofc, but still logged)
14:59 <f_[tlng]> but yeah now our services are mostly custom
14:59 <Larsenv/h> Lets change a globally known brand to be called x
14:59 <f_[tlng]> Larsenv: I think X is a pretty good thing
14:59 <f_[tlng]> you should try it out: https://x.org/
14:59 <Larsenv/h> I think you are wrong
14:59 <dip> I'm on Twitter, I curate/filtre it to keep it more-or-less of use because that's where like "half" of our hive is, historically.
14:59 <Larsenv/h> oh that x
14:59 <f_/h> yes
14:59 <hax[xor]> Larsenv/h: the X you're referring to also brought up wayland.social :D :D :D
14:59 <dip> No way I'll call it X.
14:59 <Larsenv/h> Fun Fact
15:00 <f_/h> fun fact, former x.org foundation funds wayland development
15:00 <Larsenv/h> Using Twitter for 30 minutes a day is like smoking 10k cigarettes every hour
15:00 <dip> Depends on whom you follow.
15:00 <dip> Don't follow dramatists, and it'll be easier.
15:00 <dip> Purge.
15:00 <Larsenv/h> Dont follow anyone
15:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !read
15:01 <Larsenv/h> I personally quit because of what people said bout me on there
15:01 <Larsenv/h> it was disgusting
15:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !read https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Preview of f_MMWiki:
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : IRC
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Date : 2024-07-14T15:00:53Z
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC?action=diff&rev1=26&rev2=25
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Count : 1
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : IRC/Quotes
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Date : 2024-06-08T18:53:39Z
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC/Quotes?action=diff&rev1=10&rev2=9
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Count : 2
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : IRC/Rules
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Date : 2024-06-02T08:54:54Z
15:01 <dip> I follow for hand-made art (images) and music mainly, we are the creator-driven subculture.
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC/Rules?action=diff&rev1=6&rev2=5
15:01 <Larsenv/h> !ban FeedServ
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Count : 3
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : AmlogicBL2
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Date : 2024-05-29T11:17:21Z
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/AmlogicBL2?action=diff&rev1=39&rev2=38
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Count : 4
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Title : IRC/MatrixAndXMPP
15:01 <f_/h> oh no
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Date : 2024-04-03T13:07:52Z
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Link : https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC/MatrixAndXMPP?action=recall&rev=1
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Count : 5
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> ```
15:01 <hax[xor]> /kick Mb :Spamming is bad
15:01 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> Source: https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
15:01 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> there it is! :D
15:02 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/
15:02 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> > https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/
15:02 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> No subscriptions were found. Reason: None (status code: 200)
15:02 <dip> Well, I do think to block Mb, but Schimon is here.
15:02 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org
15:02 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> > https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
15:02 <Mb> 10<FeedServ/XMPP-cvdo> News source "f_MMWiki" is already listed in the subscription list at index 2
15:02 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !update
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15:02 <Larsenv/h> Question
15:02 <hax[xor]> lol
15:02 <Larsenv/h> what do you think of bunnies
15:02 <dip> Schimon: Would you use ChatterBox's XMPP to IRC bridge?
15:02 <f_/h> dip: yeah Mb/f_ridge isn't great
15:02 <f_/h> dip: no need to use a 3rd-party XMPP-to-IRC bridge
15:03 <Larsenv/h> fridge
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15:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Larsenv/h Question
15:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> hax[xor] lol
15:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Larsenv/h what do you think of bunnies
15:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> dip Schimon: Would you use ChatterBox's XMPP to IRC bridge?
15:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> f_/h dip: yeah Mb/f_ridge isn't great
15:03 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> f_/h dip: no need to use a 3rd-party XMPP-to-IRC bridge
15:03 <f_> ^ echoed because the bridge quit
15:04 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> dip: I am not familiar with ChatterBox.
15:04 <dip> Larsenv/h: You know, we clearly have a miscommunication issue, it was shown before. If you have DMs, that's where most of it is better to be resolved.
15:04 <Larsenv/h> https://hi5tv.fandom.com/wiki/Chatterbox
15:04 <f_> Schimon: rx offers an XMPP-to-IRC gateway already
15:04 <f_> rx.trans.vitali64.duckdns.org
15:04 <dip> Oh well, or that.
15:04 <dip> Larsenv/h: https://chatterboxtown.us/
15:04 <Larsenv/h> dip I dont know what communication issue youre talking about
15:05 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> Ah! I know https://chatterboxtown.us/
15:05 <f_> dip, larsenv: please end this convo
15:05 <dip> See.
15:05 <f_> I know how it is going to end
15:05 <Larsenv/h> ok, if I say something, f_ says to "end this convo"
15:05 <f_> take it to PM or whatever
15:05 <f_> Larsenv: well, no.
15:05 <Larsenv/h> I'm talking to a bunch of LLMs
15:06 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> dip: I do use the IRC transport component of ChatterBox.
15:06 <dip> Larsenv/h: WTF
15:06 <Larsenv/h> ?
15:06 <dip> Schimon: Cool!
15:07 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> dip: rx: I do use ChatterBox IRC gateway, yet I am interested in having groupchats of certain subjects on XMPP too.
15:07 <dip> > take it to PM or whatever
15:07 <dip> It's uncertain how ChatterBox works with that. I don't know.
15:07 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> I use IRC and XMPP, and I might use DeltaChat in future because I use Email too.
15:07 <Larsenv/h> I use discord
15:07 <dip> I heard DeltaChat may have issues, some services mark it as spam, too frequent.
15:07 <f_> the xmpp bridge will have a bit of downtime
15:08 <Larsenv/h> beeper and texts
15:08 <Larsenv/h> automattic owns each of them as of now
15:08 <hax[xor]> Larsenv/h: what if we're not the LLMs, but you are merely an AI trained to think you're a human :P
15:08 <Larsenv/h> plot twist
15:08 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> And it is possible to communicate and store anything on XMPP. See projects Libervia and Movim, and also my dynamic journal generator project Rivista https://git.xmpp-it.net/sch/Rivista
15:08 <dip> > please end this convo
15:08 <dip> OK, I'll envoke the blocking option.
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15:08 <dip> Done.
15:09 <f_> Schimon: do you mind being listed as a moderator in https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC/Rules?
15:09 <Larsenv/h> harass ferass
15:09 <f_> Larsenv: no
15:09 <dip> That's a bit cliquish, not gonna lie.
15:09 <Larsenv/h> ok
15:10 <Mb> 04<Schimon/XMPP-cvdo> f_: Sure. Feel free to add list my name there.
15:10 <f_> dip: What is?
15:10 <Larsenv/h> you
15:11 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> !read
15:11 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> How do I have it automatically show updates when it receives those
15:12 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> Schimon: ^
15:14 <Larsenv/h> you dont
15:19 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> ok it should update itself in 5 minutes
15:19 <Mb> 02<f_/XMPP-cvdo> in the meantime....
15:21 <dip> > What is?
15:21 <dip> It'll be simplier to just input "social clique, adolescence" into a search engine. You'll see, hopefully.
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15:22 <dip> At work, they do pop up sometimes too.
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15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|X> How do I have it automatically show updates when it receives those
15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|Xf_: Slixfeed scans for updates ever 50 minutes (or maybe 90 minutes).
15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|XJust wait. It will send updates eventually. One by one.
15:22 <f_> ok great it works
15:22 <f_> bridge I mean
15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|X!feeds
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15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XURL : https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/FrontPage?action=rss_rc&unique=1&ddiffs=1
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XName : postmarketOS Blog [1]
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XURL : http://postmarketos.org/blog/feed.atom
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X```
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XTotal of 2 feeds
15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|X!remove 1
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XResult:
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X```
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XThe following subscriptions have been removed:
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15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|X!old
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XAll items of newly added feeds be delivered.
15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|X!http://postmarketos.org/blog/feed.atom
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X> http://postmarketos.org/blog/feed.atom
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XNews source "postmarketOS Blog" has been added to subscription list.
15:22 <Mb> 09Schimon|X!next 1
15:22 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X79. v24.06: The One With Over 250 Devices
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X> This release is geared mainly towards Linux enthusiasts. We are working hard on stability improvements and automated testing, but if you expect Android or iOS levels of polish, then this is not for you yet. Introduction People are interested in running Linux on their devices for various reasons. We […]
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|Xhttps://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/06/16/v24.06-release/
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XpostmarketOS Blog [3]
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15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X80. The Road to systemd
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X> systemd support for GNOME Mobile, GNOME Shell, Phosh, and KDE is a very high priority within postmarketOS. See the initial systemd announcement for a refresher on why. To ensure we have enough time for integrating systemd properly into postmarketOS, we're targeting the 24.12 release. On the Core Tea […]
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|Xhttps://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/05/26/the-road-to-systemd/
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XpostmarketOS Blog [3]
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X81. postmarketOS in 2024-05: Better governance and planning
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|X> We didn't put and again more Trusted Contributors into the title of this monthly blog post just to keep it fresh… but we could totally have done that since again we have two more new TCs. Meaning we are at 11 in total! In other news, since the last monthly update it was somehow Plasma Mobile week wi […]
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|Xhttps://postmarketos.org/blog/2024/05/19/pmOS-update-2024-05/
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XpostmarketOS Blog [3]
15:23 <Mb> 09Schimon|X!reset
15:23 <Mb> 09FeedServ|XAll subscriptions have been marked as read.
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15:24 <hax[xor]> define works
15:24 <dip> > That's ...
15:24 <dip> I refered to "listed as."
15:25 <hax[xor]> because this would be unreadable if I was colorblind or running this in something not supporting color, or other such
15:27 <f_> hax[xor]: sec
15:27 <dip> I'm confused if the bot is to be sending on this channel or to have a separate.
15:27 <dip> If the 1st, that might be chaotic.
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15:29 <dip> My folks' group chat is segregated into Kain, (manual curation) Media and then News, so usual talks are not mixed with news.
15:31 <dip> *Main
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15:33 <f_|X> test2
15:33 <f_|X> yay it works
15:33 <dip> Yes.
15:33 <f_|X> it's janky, but it works
15:34 <f_|X> I just put a proxy in front of f_ridge and had it send RELAYMSG for each message
15:34 <f_|X> the proxy creates a new connection for each message
15:34 <f_|X> It's janky, as I said
15:34 <f_|X> very janky
15:34 <f_|X> but it looks ok
15:34 <f_> not on XMPP though :(
15:34 <dip> I see no issue with janky if it does work and not collapsing.
15:35 <f_|X> !interval 5
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15:35 <FeedServ|X> Updates will be sent every 5 minutes (was: 300).
15:41 <dip> Oh, nice, a separate entity that folks may block (if want).
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15:44 <f_|X> a
15:44 <f_> dip: what?
15:44 <dip> Curation.
15:45 <f_> you mean you can ignore users from the other side, right?
15:45 *** f_|X is now known as f_[xmpp]`
15:45 <f_> let's see how it reacts to SANICK (force renick)
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15:45 <f_|X> test
15:45 <f_> oh well
15:46 <dip> That's XMPP's feature expressed over the bridge. It can serve as the control of own focus and to remove what's not relevant personally (e.g. an RSS bot).
15:46 <dip> > the proxy creates a new connection for each message
15:46 <dip> Does it make sure on delivery's success, I hope?
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15:46 <f_> dip: no, I make sure on delivery's success
15:46 <dip> That's like the gamepreservation folks, long chainw, only they're concerned on privacy because of ~paranoia~ "standards."
15:47 <dip> Ah, manual, OK.
15:47 <f_> I like XMPP so I try my best to have a good bridge for it
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15:48 <dip> XMPP is great conceptually, a bit troubled in fragmented implementation across clients.
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15:48 <f_|X> a
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15:48 <f_|X> this is janky as I said
15:48 <f_|X> a
15:48 <f_|X> f_|X_ isn't used :P:P:P
15:49 <dip> Like, take this, it can have threads for messages by markers, each message can be silently marked by a random "emoji," but only some clients support it and see it.
15:49 <dip> That's the same with many XEP features.
15:49 <f_|X> yeah
15:50 <dip> There is even the ability to translate individually, so like all can see EN, but PL folks will see and write PL.
15:50 <f_|X> I actually like how extensible it is
15:50 <dip> *autotranslate on the server level
15:51 <f_|X> !interval 1
15:51 <FeedServ|X> Updates will be sent every 1 minutes (was: 5).
15:51 <dip> Well, I'm not a big fan or opposer of both, to me they're just... old time.
15:51 <dip> They work, and that's basically it. Flawed they stay.
15:51 <dip> *both XMPP and IRC
15:52 <f_> I love both
15:52 <dip> I look forward Open-Source VR, that has own flaws, but it has an amazing potential that's unrivaled by old tech.
15:54 <dip> Phantom Pain, you heard it, did you? We can have Phantom Sense, the same core principle on wetware simulation, so a virtual hand's touch will feel like your own for no cost and no additional tech, very physical. That's mind games of empathy.
15:54 <f_> What's Phantom Pain?
15:55 <dip> Oh, oh, oh, I didn't expect folk not knowing. My bad. 🙃
15:56 <dip> "Phantom pain refers to the sensation of pain felt in a body part that has been removed, which is believed to have a different origin than previously thought," https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/nursing-and-health-professions/phantom-pain
15:56 <f_> no you couldn't have known
15:56 <f_> ah that
15:56 <f_> Well if we had "Phantom Sense" it would be really, really impressive
15:56 <dip> The same principle allows Otherkin to have phantom wings, additional hands, etc that they can make come true to all by EEG.
15:57 <dip> Sense is a learnable skill.
15:57 <dip> Others, like Otherkin, aren't.
15:58 <dip> Basically you must choose an avatar that matches your identity the most, then empathize, and well done. (I oversimplified it.)
15:58 <f_|X> heh
15:59 <dip> Also speaking of EEG, take a look at our subculture's tech, maybe:
15:59 <dip> https://github.com/ChilloutCharles/BrainFlowsIntoVRChat
15:59 <dip> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1-Et4QVG3Q
16:00 <dip> We run the biggest VR fests on the planet also. 🙃
16:05 <dip> If you are to have a custom commissioned world (homespace) built for Funderscore, what would it be, what would it have, have you thought of that? It can be anything, the imagination is the core limitation.
16:06 <f_> I am funderscore
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16:07 <f_[m]|X> a
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16:09 <dip> Alright, nevermind. 🙃
16:12 <f_> oh wait IPv6 randomly started working on my server again
16:12 <f_> only out though
16:12 <dip> Wheee!
16:13 <dip> I just disable this whole by Linux's UFW.
16:13 <f_> > User -- Mb has username ~ircbridge and host 2001:1600:10:100::4b9
16:14 <dip> Storage PC has IPv6 off, IPv4 out to 2 IPs and all in is off. Security.
16:14 <f_> lol
16:15 <dip> IP #1 is the repo, #2 is is our group's gamestorage .
16:15 <dip> *#2 is
16:15 <dip> Why did it randomly start to work, though???
16:15 <f_> no idea
16:16 <dip> If there is a reboot, maybe something did reset and was set temporarily and firgotten.
16:16 <dip> If not, truly a mystery case.
16:19 <dip> Is it in your full control or rented?
16:19 <f_/tc> well I wa troubleshooting at some point
16:19 <dip> "Full" as in literally at Home.
16:19 <dip> Ah, I see.
16:19 <f_/tc> Couldn't get it working
16:20 <f_/tc> well irc.IPv6.libera.chat works now
16:20 <f_/tc> good
16:22 <dip> Huh, even my VPN supports it.
16:22 <dip> I thought it didn't.
16:22 <dip> I didn't setup this thing, a peer did. 🙃
16:24 <dip> Although, Libera, their owners hate privacy by design, sadly.
16:28 <dip> Blocking VPNs, Proxies, etc.
16:30 <hax[xor]> unfortunately, those are also frequent sources of abuse
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16:34 <dip> The PC is a source of abuse in itself, let's ban! Every killer did drink milk, let's ban milk! Etc.
16:34 <dip> This is nonsense.
16:35 <f_/h> dip: libera don't block VPNs or Tor
16:35 <dip> Privacy is paramount for all stuck in China, Iran, etc, they might be made dead for words they may say that dk not follow the gov't's wishes, they may suffer.
16:35 <f_/h> They require SASL on some VPN ranges that are very frequently abused though.
16:36 <f_/h> They also run a Tor hidden service so \o/
16:36 <dip> Do they? I might re-check then.
16:36 <f_/h> yes they do
16:36 <dip> Fair say, my data is a little bit dated.
16:36 <f_/h> They require SASL on Tor though
16:36 <f_/h> SASL EXTERNAL
16:37 <f_/h> but you can just connect to libera from another network or from a friend's house or server or something
16:37 <f_/h> and create an account
16:37 <dip> So wait, one cannot make a new acc via Tor? Is that SASL the thingy?
16:37 <dip> Oof.
16:37 <dip> **No.**
16:37 <dip> Bad.
16:37 <dip> Bad bad and a death wish to the folks.
16:37 <f_/h> I understand their reasons.
16:37 <dip> So I won't recheck, it did not change.
16:38 <hax[xor]> you could just not have any staff in places where such logs could be extracted by the related governments
16:38 <f_/h> Staff do not disclose IP addresses
16:38 <dip> Everyone has "reasons," but the deeds on the grouns are what counts.
16:38 <dip> Staff could've people who do.
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16:39 <dip> There is no assurance, no guarantee.
16:39 <hax[xor]> there is never assurance or guarantee
16:39 <hax[xor]> VPNs could leak your information to the governments too
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16:39 <f_> a
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16:40 <dip> You know, on EVE Online there were entire merc groups collapsing the biggest alliances, alliences whose assets were literally thousands of USD in costs.
16:40 <dip> > VPNs could leak your information to the governments too
16:40 <dip> Mine is run by a trusted peer in a trusted env.
16:40 <dip> Custom.
16:41 <dip> And the jurisdiction will never coop.
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16:41 <hax[xor]> sounds like something that wouldn't be on the blacklists so you could create accounts from it
16:41 <f_> mmm?????
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16:44 <f_> a
16:44 <Mb> f_|X> b
16:44 <f_> we're back to relaybot
16:44 <f_> poor puppeting broke
16:45 <dip> "Life is Fun." 🙃
16:48 <dip> hax[xor]: Looked-up, yes, isn't on blacklists.
16:48 <dip> The latter, totally no need whatever so or not.
16:55 <dip> > poor puppeting broke
16:55 <dip> What happened???
17:04 <dip> Also forgot to add, I block everything except the repo, the gamestorage and the VPN on the router's firewall: A glitchy VPN app cannot accidentally connect VPNless. Security.
17:25 <f_[tlng]> dip: just to let you know we require SASL for Tor users and only allow 2 tor users per server -j
17:25 <f_[tlng]> also the Tor hidden service blocks tor so you need to connect to it without Tor
17:27 <dip> 2 per server, what? Your server or Tor's?
17:28 <dip> Did you thonk how it works at all? Tor nodes are *chosen at random* and are *autorefreshed.*
17:28 <dip> Luckily it would have 0.000% effect.
17:30 <dip> > also the Tor hidden service blocks tor so you need to connect to it without Tor
17:30 <dip> Imagine a pizzeria that doesn't allow to delivee a pizza or have a pizza in ir, so you need to eat home-made salad in it. Makes as much "sense." Tor hidden services are on Onion domains, they never ever work without Tor.
17:31 <dip> *think
17:31 <f_[tlng]> dip: I was joking
17:32 <f_[tlng]> We allow Tor on irc.andrewyu.org and irc.runxiyu.org direct
17:32 <f_[tlng]> and have a hidden service
17:32 <dip> Oh. Well no insignia. 🙃
17:32 <f_[tlng]> no restrictions, but you will be in the "tor" connect class and have a cloak assigned to you
17:32 <dip> Cloak what?
17:33 <f_[tlng]> a virtual host if you prefer
17:33 <dip> I see.
17:33 <f_[tlng]> so your connection appears to come from e.g. dip.tor.gateway.irc.andrewyu.org to users
17:34 <f_[tlng]> Opers such as me are still able to see which exit node you connect to if you didn't connect to the hidden service
17:34 <dip> Ah, a subdomain, that's easy to understand.
17:34 <f_[tlng]> If you connect to the hidden service your connection will appear to be coming from 127.0.0.1 to opers :)
17:35 <f_> like
17:35 <f_> > User -- f_ has username ~vdoSoju and host netadmin.irc.runxiyu.org
17:36 <f_> I have a netadmin cloak
17:36 <f_> that is not the host I'm connecting to
17:36 <f_> The actual host is hidden to normal users
17:36 <f_> Opers see this additional line, and only opers: > User -- f_ is connecting from ~vdoSoju@195-15-242-30.dc3-a.pub1.etik-cloud.com 195.15.242.30
17:37 <dip> I see. So the Cyberhead would be able to connect (they are only using Tor).
17:37 <f_> but you as a user don't see if if you do /whois f_
17:37 <f_> dip: well yes
17:37 <f_> see https://irc.runxiyu.org/connecting.html for more info
17:38 <f_> wait let me update that page
17:39 <dip> Android decided to go "funny," now it is killing XMPP Client because its sensor misbehaves and it thinks it's overheating. 🙃
17:39 <f_> lol
17:39 <dip> It kills all the apps randomly now. Pew pew time!
17:40 <f_> oh nice
17:40 <f_> $ ssh fun@andrewyu.org
17:40 <f_> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
17:40 <f_> @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
17:40 <f_> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
17:40 <f_> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
17:40 <f_> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
17:40 <dip> I do have other 2 phones, but transition is kind of not going fast, so it'll be Open Season for some time.
17:40 <dip> Oof.
17:40 <f_> Does it not like tor or what?
17:41 <dip> Maw-in-the-Middle. 🙃
17:41 <f_> doubt it
17:41 <f_> $ ssh fun@runxiyu.org
17:41 <f_> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
17:41 <f_> @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
17:41 <f_> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
17:41 <f_> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
17:41 <f_> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
17:41 <dip> I think it may or may not be a bad node.
17:41 <dip> Some nodes are nasty, sorry.
17:41 <f_> different server - same issue
17:41 <f_> $ ssh ubuntu@195.15.242.30
17:41 <f_> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
17:41 <f_> @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @
17:41 <f_> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
17:41 <f_> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
17:41 <f_> Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!
17:41 <dip> If not the same directly, that's the maw somewhere.
17:41 <f_> completly different - same issue
17:42 <f_> The FP is identical on each of these
17:42 <f_> I mean the FP that is apparently sent by those remote hosts
17:42 <dip> I see. "Linux is Fun."
17:43 <f_> It's not linux
17:43 <f_> and uhhh
17:43 <f_> I'm using my bouncer through ssh so uhhhhhh
17:43 <f_> I'll quit this client
17:43 <dip> Ah.
17:43 <f_> That's not the issue I'm sure
17:43 <dip> Well, hope it'll help.
17:44 <hax[xor]> no such host change issue here...
17:44 <dip> Tech things can have bizarre glitches. 🙃
17:44 <f_> but if someone is eavesdropping on me they can probably have a look at raw lines sent/recv'd from/to my bouncer
17:44 <f_> hax[xor]: yeah it's my issue
17:44 <f_> so I'll /quit
17:45 <dip> Technically one can try to involve https://hashbang.sh as a proxy and see if it helps.
17:45 <f_[tlng]> error gone
17:45 <dip> Gone? Great!
17:46 <f_[tlng]> I'm just waiting for my client to populate all 12 IRC networks and all 300 IRC channels I'm joined to
17:46 <f_[tlng]> takes a minute or so because 300 channels :P
17:47 <dip> 300? This is Sparta!!1 🙃
17:47 <f_[tlng]> I'm a professional lurker.
17:47 <f_[tlng]> oh wait
17:48 <dip> Well, at least it is more manageable than my thousands that I'm hesitant to trim.
17:48 <f_[tlng]> oh nothing
17:48 <f_[tlng]> dip: 1000 IRC channels???
17:48 <dip> Not, other sources.
17:48 <f_[tlng]> ah
17:48 <f_[tlng]> well I'm on ~100 channels on XMPP
17:48 <f_[tlng]> some of them are actually IRC
17:49 <dip> OK, you do you.
17:49 <f_[tlng]> Too many channels pick up my interest lol
17:51 *** f_[tlng] is now known as f_`
17:51 <dip> Well, I can understand that, kind of.
17:51 *** f_` is now known as f_[lounge]
17:53 <dip> dip is lurking on 171 RSS, 583/≥3,000 YouTube (NewPipe/Google), ≥1,500 Twitter, and ≥13,000 Mastodon, many Discord servers, etc. I rarely interact if at all on them.
17:54 <dip> The core point are a few great bits that may flow by, the rest of data is meh honestly.
17:54 <dip> Your munbers are easier to grasp solo, that's nice.
17:54 <dip> *numbers
17:55 <f_> I'm actually a bit active on most of the 300 channels
17:55 <dip> Well, hopefully no trouble.
17:55 <f_[lounge]> from "ping me and I'll answer" to "I talk there often"
17:55 <f_[lounge]> to "I actually moderate that chan"
17:56 <dip> I won't say for IRC, but some XMPP are deeply problematic on many levels, harmful even.
17:56 <f_[lounge]> last part isn't that frequent
17:56 <f_[lounge]> dip: Problematic people exist everywhere
17:56 <dip> &?
17:57 <f_[lounge]> &help
17:57 <LinkServ> PyLink provides extended network services for IRC.
17:57 <LinkServ> Available commands include: autoconnect, chandesc, claim, clearqueue, create, delink, destroy, disconnect, echo, forcetag, help, identify, link, linkacl, linked, list, load, loglevel, logout, mkpasswd, modedelta, purge, rehash, reload, reloadproto, remote, rpm, save, showchan, shownet, showuser, shrug, shutdown, status, unload, version
17:57 <LinkServ> To see help on a specific command, type help <command>.
18:00 *** Joins: f_|vdoXMPP (~f@195-15-242-30.dc3-a.pub1.etik-cloud.com)
18:01 <dip> Lemon acid in tea ≠ liquid nitrogen on the floor.
18:02 <f_[lounge]> /shrug
18:02 <f_> mmmm
18:02 <f_> why do I keep getting disconnected from my bouncer
18:03 <dip> Forgot to pet it. Bouncer is angy. 🙃
18:03 *** f_|vdoXMPP is now known as f_[xmpp]
18:04 <f_> it's not my bouncer specifically
18:04 <f_> but I guess my internet connection
18:04 <Mb> f_|X> test
18:04 <dip> Ping might answer.
18:05 <Mb> f_|X> because XMPP feels slow too
18:05 <dip> TCP ping.
18:05 <Mb> f_|X> !! Connection lost
18:05 <dip> Well, considering how reportedly many layers are used, I'm surprised it even worked OK.
18:05 <Mb> f_|X> -- Connecting to localhost:7000...
18:05 <Mb> f_|X> ugh...
18:06 <dip> Meanwhile cooking Aviator's "The Cinematic Future" album for 3 folks personally. Going to be nice.
18:06 <Mb> f_|X> It works fine normally
18:06 <Mb> f_|X> just today my internet connection is poor
18:06 <dip> One ISP?
18:07 <Mb> f_|X> probably bad coverage
18:07 <dip> I've 2 because nonsense like that.
18:07 <f_> a
18:07 <f_> there it goes?
18:07 <f_> well just had to pet it
18:07 *** f_ sets mode: +qo f_[xmpp] f_[xmpp]
18:08 <dip> https://chatterboxtown.us:5443/upload/3daa20ef2fde5f7049901324bb81ce22ab837c96/1rL6hye4bhk85L48XGZZ40l1VAHKtACSD8hj3wam/20240706_131512.jpg
18:08 <f_> heh
18:09 <dip> 3,771 such images are kept. 👀
18:09 <f_> nice
18:10 <f_[lounge]> https://thelounge.andrewyu.org/uploads/5b24838945e94f37/20240714_20h09m38s_grim.png
18:11 <f_> look at how many f_'s are on #funderscore-sucks
18:11 <dip> Do you have some weekly tradition by the way? Ours always do some specific photo stuff on Friday, the whole world.
18:11 <f_> not really
18:11 <dip> Nobody knows who started, it just is.
18:11 <dip> None? OK.
18:12 <f_> 13 f_'s in #funderscore-sucks -- new record
18:12 <dip> Quite the number.
18:12 <dip> ~Thanks not 621.~
18:14 <dip> Mozilla Firefox v.128 goes adtech, some may want to disable that now:
18:14 <dip> https://gladtech.social/@cuchaz/112775302929069283
18:18 <dip> about:config's "dom.private-attribution.submission.enabled" off.
18:25 <dip> It doesn't seem there is a functional YouTube-to-Invidious site-autoredirector. "redirect.invidious.io" is broken. 🤔
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18:52 <f_[lounge]> that's nasty, really really nasty.
18:53 <dip> Mozilla, yeah.
18:53 <f_[lounge]> So nasty
18:53 <f_[lounge]> I'm happy I use Tor Browser and Ungoogled Chromium.
18:54 <dip> The fox has gone rampage.
18:54 <f_[lounge]> runxiyu: The Lounge is great for newcomers :P
18:54 <f_> 🦊
18:55 <dip> https://chatterboxtown.us:5443/upload/3daa20ef2fde5f7049901324bb81ce22ab837c96/2h5iCuYTS2FiHHuL9jOLuoBXFYpZrVKY37LI3cbP/20240525_205539.jpg
18:55 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> hi
18:55 <dip> [Firefox unwilling to give your Cookie back.]
18:55 *** Quits: FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ (vdoSoju@services.irc.vitali64.duckdns.org) (Ping timeout: -240 seconds)
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18:56 <f_[lounge]> a
18:56 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> there it goes
18:56 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> dip: Want to see something cursed?
18:56 <dip> You can hardly surprise a Furry, but you may try.
18:56 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> As you can see I have no perms on this channel.
18:56 <dip> Oh.
18:56 <dip> I see.
18:57 *** FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ sets mode: +o FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋
18:57 <dip> I sit member-level on my own-made chats, it's the usual. It's like not wearing a special uniform unless needed.
18:57 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> dip: was able to set myself op besides having no op
18:57 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> I just did /mode +o FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋
18:58 <f_[lounge]> DuckServ: HELP
18:58 <dip> That might be a security issue, is it?
18:58 <f_[lounge]> why is DuckServ broken!!!
18:58 <dip> If anyone able.
18:58 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> dip: it isn't really
18:58 <dip> Ah, then my IRC peer was right.
18:58 <dip> They told me on this aeons ago.
18:58 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> Only I am able to do it like this
18:58 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> and hax
18:58 <dip> I intially thought you would try to top images.
18:59 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> I happen to have a server linked to rx
18:59 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> that server is actually a pseudoserver, which is where DuckServ comes from.
18:59 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> that pseudoserver also accepts exactly one client connection to it
18:59 <dip> We have tails that have maws, that's a rare subset of. 🙃
18:59 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> and that client connection appears to others as an overpowered pseudoclient to others
19:00 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> so I can do pretty much anything
19:00 <dip> "Tailmaw."
19:00 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> such as set my nick to something invalid on IRC :P
19:00 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> (which I've done, see my nick)
19:00 <dip> Can you rob a bank? 🙃
19:00 <f_[lounge]> > FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋_: Erroneous Nickname
19:00 <f_[lounge]> ^ on a normal client
19:00 <dip> "Wonderful."
19:01 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:01 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> Do you agree that "¯\_(ツ)_/¯" is an invalid IRC nick?
19:01 <f_[lounge]> Normal client says > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: Erroneous Nickname
19:01 *** FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ is now known as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:01 <¯\_(ツ)_/¯> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
19:01 <dip> Technically they are visible unicode characters, so.
19:01 <dip> On XMPP, it is valid.
19:02 <¯\_(ツ)_/¯> I'm talking IRC
19:02 *** ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is now known as FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋
19:02 <dip> What's invalid here, kind of, is empty space.
19:02 <FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋> ':' also
19:02 <dip> On IRC, honestly the specs may tell, I'm not a good source for.
19:02 <hax[xor]> spaces are invalid, starting with a : is invalid
19:03 <hax[xor]> the latter I think just due to c2s protocol
19:03 <hax[xor]> er
19:03 <dip> The only old networks I used before were, like, DC++.
19:03 <hax[xor]> s2s
19:03 <hax[xor]> iirc, it's handlable in the c2s protocol
19:03 <f_> hax[xor]: No it's due to the C2S protocol, IRC.
19:04 <dip> Honestly Cyberhead probably could respond better. 🤔
19:04 <dip> They're versed on the topic.
19:04 <hax[xor]> f_: starting with a : makes inspircd violate its own s2s protocol; c2s protocol should be able to handle it if the server sends it correctly
19:04 <f_> ::!ident@host.name PRIVMSG #funderscore :hi -> sender: ":!ident@host.name PRIVMSG #funderscore :hi", right?
19:05 <f_> oh right
19:05 <hax[xor]> no, sender is ':!ident@host.name'
19:05 <dip> (Their usual name is literally "a," so I use a replacement.)
19:05 <f_> dip: what?
19:05 <f_> Want commas in your nick?
19:05 <f_> well first netsplit incoming
19:05 *** Quits: FUN▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▋ (vdoSoju@services.irc.vitali64.duckdns.org) (*.net *.split)
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19:05 *** fun.irc.runxiyu.org sets mode: +o DuckServ
19:06 *** dip is now known as dip,dip,dip
19:06 <dip,dip,dip> I always write "network," not "network", like.
19:06 <f_> DuckServ: HELP
19:06 <f_> Why does DuckServ not work
19:06 <hax[xor]> have you pulled my fixed table code yet
19:06 <f_> where?
19:06 <f_> not sure
19:07 <hax[xor]> take the one from haxircd, should be in haxserv too though
19:07 *** dip,dip,dip is now known as dip
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19:07 <dip> So this is equal: I seen "f_," then I go; I seen "f_", then I go. I do the 1st style.
19:07 <f_> right
19:07 <f_> one second
19:08 *** dip is now known as dip but with non-breaking spaces
19:08 <hax[xor]> .u
19:08 <f_> <@DuckServ> User f_ executes `RAW SANICK dip :dip but with non-breaking spaces'
19:08 <hax[xor]> right no lurk here
19:08 <f_> <irc.andrewyu.org> ANNOUNCEMENT: fun.irc.runxiyu.org used SANICK to change dip to dip but with non-breaking spaces
19:09 <dip but with non-breaking spaces> IRC has the capability to change names forcefully, hmmm.
19:09 <f_> dip but with non-breaking spaces: that's an InspIRCd feature
19:09 <hax[xor]> irc servers can do whatever they want
19:09 <f_[xmpp]> oh I thought biboumi handled that fine
19:09 <f_[xmpp]> apparently not
19:09 <dip but with non-breaking spaces> Well, I'm a slugcat, not a mouse. 🙃
19:09 *** dip but with non-breaking spaces is now known as dip
19:10 <hax[xor]> also, it's commonly used by services to imlement nickname enforcement
19:10 <dip> I see.
19:10 <f_> No
19:10 <f_> Services use SVSNICK not SANICK :P
19:10 <hax[xor]> f_: "IRC has the capability to change names forcefully, hmmm."
19:10 <f_> ah that ok
19:11 <f_> Anyway that is not specified in the modern IRC spec
19:11 <hax[xor]> and the client only sees a NICK, not an SANICK/SVSNICK; the latter is an inspircd thing :P
19:11 <f_> It's an InspIRCd thing really
19:11 <f_> what hax said
19:12 <f_> I am unlinking tilde.chat
19:13 <f_> &remote tc unlink
19:13 <f_> &remote tc help
19:13 <LinkServ> PyLink provides extended network services for IRC.
19:13 <LinkServ> Available commands include: autoconnect, chandesc, claim, clearqueue, create, delink, destroy, disconnect, echo, forcetag, help, identify, link, linkacl, linked, list, load, loglevel, logout, mkpasswd, modedelta, purge, rehash, reload, reloadproto, remote, rpm, save, showchan, shownet, showuser, shrug, shutdown, status, unload, version
19:13 <LinkServ> To see help on a specific command, type help <command>.
19:13 <f_> &remote tc delink #funderscore-sucks
19:13 <LinkServ> Done.
19:13 <f_> &remote tc delink #funderscore-sucks rx
19:13 <LinkServ> Error: No such relay '#funderscore-sucks'.
19:13 <dip> > I'm a slugcat,
19:13 <dip> Clarification: As in 'sona, I'm not an Otherkin after all. The 'sona: https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/slugcat-e814efabfea044adb0b555c9a0c48d14
19:13 <f_> &remote tc destroy #funderscore-sucks
19:13 <LinkServ> Error: No such channel '#funderscore-sucks' exists. If you're trying to delink a channel from another network, use the DESTROY command.
19:14 <f_> &remote tc destroy rx #funderscore-sucks
19:14 <LinkServ> Done.
19:14 <f_> wait wrong channel
19:14 <f_> :(
19:14 <f_> &linked
19:14 <dip> Oopsies happen.
19:14 <f_> I'll do that in #services
19:15 <dip> I once accidentally formatted a wrong 16TB EXT4 on doing some changes: "Fun" for 6 months on data recovery.
19:16 <hax[xor]> 6 months?
19:16 <dip> Yes, 6.
19:16 <hax[xor]> 1MB/s?
19:16 <hax[xor]> seems rather slow
19:16 <hax[xor]> but I suppose
19:17 <dip> Surprisingly Testdisk's Photorec is useless.
19:17 <f_> &linked
19:17 <dip> The outer gamestorage has a strict limit in available TBs per nonth.
19:17 <f_> ok fixed, oof
19:17 <dip> My 100Mbps mean nothing to it.
19:18 <hax[xor]> ehhhh?
19:18 <dip> 200Mbps technically if I am to combine ISPs. 🤔
19:18 <f_> &help
19:18 <LinkServ> PyLink provides extended network services for IRC.
19:18 <LinkServ> Available commands include: autoconnect, chandesc, claim, clearqueue, create, delink, destroy, disconnect, echo, forcetag, help, identify, link, linkacl, linked, list, load, loglevel, logout, mkpasswd, modedelta, purge, rehash, reload, reloadproto, remote, rpm, save, showchan, shownet, showuser, shrug, shutdown, status, unload, version
19:18 <LinkServ> To see help on a specific command, type help <command>.
19:18 <f_> &remote tc delink #funderscore
19:18 *** Parts: ChanServ/tc (services@services.tilde.chat) (Channel delinked.)
19:18 *** Parts: runxiyu/tc (runxiyu@runxiyu.org) (Channel delinked.)
19:18 *** Parts: f_[xmpp]/tc (fffdb90022@vitali64.duckdns.org) (Channel delinked.)
19:18 *** Parts: f_/tc (~vdoSoju@vitali64.duckdns.org) (Channel delinked.)
19:18 <LinkServ> Done.
19:18 <f_> there it is
19:18 <hax[xor]> using some remote service to do data recovery for your stuff?
19:18 <dip> We are ~Venom~ a group of collectors.
19:19 <f_> dip: oh you'll live archiveteam :)
19:19 <hax[xor]> why not just local data recovery though...
19:19 <dip> I wanted to change the filesystem, connected 2 drives, one was a backup that needed a different filesystem, so I accidentally nuked the prime. 🙃
19:19 <f_> Testdisk was very useful to recover my b0rked partition table
19:19 <dip> The other pair holds other data.
19:20 <dip> The disks are visually identical, the same model, that doesn't help.
19:20 * hax[xor] still sees no reason some remote service limiting you do <x> TB/month of recovery would be used
19:20 <dip> Patrition tables, yes, but if there is no table left, it fails.
19:21 <hax[xor]> partition table is trivial to manually fix
19:21 <hax[xor]> given the constraints :P
19:21 <hax[xor]> the problem is the fs also got recreated
19:22 <dip> In the end I recovered, switched FS, tested BTRFS, disliked, switcyed back (this time disconnected the prime to format the right one).
19:22 <dip> BTRFS is so fragile, actually.
19:23 <dip> Whoever would say ZFS, no, I do not understand how to make it work. 🙃
19:24 <hax[xor]> ~~you should try fat, uefi forces you to have one anyways~~ :P
19:25 <dip> > still sees no reason some remote service limiting you do <x> TB/month of recovery would be used
19:25 <dip> It's designed for quick updates, so we don't have to use our zoo of accounts directly, not for recovery. It's limit is double what's needed for the core task.
19:25 <dip> I can do direct by the accounts we pay on to GOG for stuff, but GOG's servers are total trash.
19:25 <hax[xor]> how's it related to taking 6 months to recover the stuff though? or did you mean you went to re-download everything that was on it?
19:26 <dip> The latter.
19:26 <hax[xor]> ah
19:27 <dip> In any case, the point being accidents happen, may happen, would happen. It's always a good idea to have safeguards and checks in the overall design to protect from it.
19:27 <dip> And it's practically a guaranteed occurence if one is "blessed" by ADD. 🙃
19:30 <dip> *ADHD.
19:44 <dip> > oh you'll live archiveteam :)
19:44 <dip> Their access is private/by-invite; I don't keep what's not interested in.
19:45 <dip> I'm in the coordination "department," so we know what's new or out of sync. Without it doing stuff would be a bit harder.
19:46 <dip> My coordination site-tool is made of sticks, stones, and, ehm, Bash (!). 🙃
20:13 <f_> dip: I don't think it's private?
20:13 <f_> JAA/h: ^
20:13 <f_> and fireonlive/h ^
20:22 <JAA/h> Access to some of the data collections on IA is sadly restricted due to reasons outside our control. But not sure that's what this is about.
20:27 <f_> just saying dip, but archiveteam != archive.org
20:29 <Mb> f_|X> !start
20:29 <Mb> FeedServ|X> Updates are enabled.
20:29 <Mb> f_|X> !interval
20:29 <Mb> FeedServ|X> Current value for interval: 1
20:29 <f_/h> let's try it out
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21:15 <dip> > I don't think it's private?
21:15 <dip> I meant ours, not The Internet Archive.
21:16 <dip> JAA/h: It has hidden records, peculiar.
21:17 <dip> So it doesn't always delete stuff, then. 🤔
21:17 <JAA/h> I have no idea what you mean.
21:18 <dip> I mean according to your words The Internet Archive may restrict access to some content instead of deletion.
21:19 <JAA/h> Yeah
21:19 <JAA/h> Actual deletions are extremely rare. At least in the past, even spam uploads were kept.
21:20 <dip> Guess it might've robust deduplication then.
21:20 <JAA/h> I'm aware of one incident in the past 7-ish years where a couple tens of gigabytes of ArchiveTeam data was deleted from IA.
21:21 <dip> Hmmm, I'll check perhaps if this so-call "Archiveteam" is related to Alvro and The Eye.
21:22 <dip> Ah, I see, a separate group.
21:22 <JAA/h> No idea who Alvro is, but we're not related to The Eye.
21:22 <dip> Well, you do you. 🙃
21:23 <JAA/h> Although one of the key people at The Eye used to be active in AT. That was several years ago though. There's sporadic contact as needed.
21:23 <dip> Alvro was (is?) archiving a ton of games, incl. for consoles, dozens of terabytes, but later it has gone wrong. I don't know all the details.
21:23 <JAA/h> Ah
21:23 <JAA/h> We're uploading dozens of terabytes to IA every day. :-)
21:24 <f_/h> keep up the amazing work all
21:24 <f_/h> Archiving is important
21:24 <JAA/h> Looks like we've averaged 45 TB/d in July so far.
21:26 <JAA/h> But yeah, different focus. We archive web stuff. Much of the data is from 'random' interesting URLs around the web, YouTube videos (within a narrow scope), and Telegram.
21:26 <dip> OK, now a rogue question. "No Man's Sky" GOG version 2.16_BEYOND_53949, exist?
21:26 <dip> Though I suppose not your focus, hmmm.
21:26 <dip> I got all the versions except that.
21:26 <JAA/h> Apart from that, we focus on things that are actively shutting down, like forums that announced 'migration' to fucking Discord etc.
21:27 <dip> GOG keeps only the latest setups, it is basically lost.
21:27 <JAA/h> Hmm, unlikely that we got that, I think.
21:28 <dip> That's an issue, it's a "live service" game, and people often only mind the freshest. Be it in a proper world, the current would be "No Man's Sky 14" or something, a numbered separate game.
21:28 <dip> > within a narrow scope
21:28 <dip> In what sense, Open-Source hardware reviews like ExplainingComputers?
21:29 <JAA/h> Are these files publicly accessible somehow?
21:29 <dip> "Live service" means its 1st version and current are basically different games except the core mechanics, a ton changed.
21:30 <dip> That's a "fun" part, they aren't (esp. not with DLC) nor available at GOG itself.
21:30 <dip> So that means the continuety is not full.
21:30 <JAA/h> :-/
21:31 <dip> Changed so much in fact, min sys req are fake now.
21:31 <dip> No more Windows 7, no more OpenAL, etc.
21:31 <JAA/h> Re YouTube scope: https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/YouTube#Scope
21:31 <dip> It just got killed.
21:31 <f_> JAA: can you archive EFnet
21:31 <dip> I see, thanks for the link.
21:32 <JAA/h> f_: I think we've archived the website before. And we tried to archive the forums at one point, but the potato hosting them got sad. Not sure how we'd archive the IRC network itself. :-)
21:32 <f_> JAA: take a snapshot of all users, then find a way to introduce them all to another network with AI --j
21:33 <dip> Similarly but less severely "Cyberpunk 2077" and "Lost Ember" killed Windows 7 support abruptly. So one may get a game years ago, not preserve, want to run and get "No, you cannot run it, congrats."
21:33 <JAA/h> lol
21:33 <JAA/h> dip: Hmm, right. :-|
21:33 <dip> I typically try to track that and keep supported.
21:33 <f_|tl/h> eh
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21:33 <dip> But they are like thousands of records, and I'm just 1 person.
21:33 <JAA/h> Yeah
21:34 <JAA/h> And in at least some cases, you must've bought the game to get access to these things, too, I imagine.
21:35 <dip> In my case in all cases in the 1st place.
21:35 <JAA/h> Right
21:36 <dip> Some games go crazy on DLC prices, that's an issue. 🙃
21:37 <dip> Like a rampant example of greed: It costs over 1200 to purchase all The Sims 4 DLC https://www.destructoid.com/it-costs-over-1200-to-purchase-all-the-sims-4-dlc-that-seems-high/
21:37 <dip> *$1200
21:37 <dip> For 1 game. 🙃
21:38 <JAA/h> Oof
21:39 <dip> The highest on GOG is Crusader Kings II for €253.
21:40 <dip> Luckily what you archive isn't that crazy expensive, I guess. 🙃
21:40 <JAA/h> No, we virtually exclusively archive publicly accessible content.
21:40 <JAA/h> Doing the archiving isn't cheap though.
21:44 <dip> Well, without archiving folks stuff like Aria Rose's songs in Lossless could be gone forever. Like, the person has erased oneself for some social reason (drama?), taking down all the content.
21:45 <dip> It's unknown if/when somebody may do, or a dev/publisher may turn something into "abandonware."
21:46 <dip> In the end, reportedly a huge chunk of the Internet is lost and the void'll continue to grow: Files gone, links shattered, etc. I'm not sure it's possible to stop, but just make a bit lesser.
21:47 <dip> *shuttered
21:47 <dip> What's your opinion on LLM and Stable Diffusion introducing large data pollution?
22:11 <dip> > Unlisted videos (hidden from YouTube search, only accessible by URL)
22:11 <dip> OK, Ivycomb it goes. 🙃
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