Chat logs of #funderscore for Monday, 2024-10-07
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07:53 <f_> Elestren: bang
07:53 <Elestren> f_: \_x< | Score: 3 (57284.00 seconds)
07:54 <f_> Elestren: toilet --irc --metal --font slant -w 10000 Good morning.
07:54 <Elestren> f_: Error: "toilet" is not a valid command.
07:54 <f_> Elestren: shell toilet --irc --metal --font slant -w 10000 Good morning.
07:54 <Elestren> f_: 12______ 2__ 14_
07:54 <Elestren> f_: 12/ 12____2/___ 2____ 2____15/ 15/ 15____ 15___ 15_14___ 14_________ 12(_)___ 12____ 12_
07:54 <Elestren> f_: 2/ 2/ 2__/ 2__ 2\/ 2_15_ 15\/ 15__ 15/ 15/ 15__ 14`__ 14\/ 14__ 14\/ 14__12_/ 12__ 12\/ 12/ 12__ 12\/ 2__ 2`/
07:54 <Elestren> f_: 2/ 2/_/ 2/ 15/_/ 15/ 15/_/ 15/ 15/_/ 14/ 14/ 14/ 14/ 14/ 14/ 14/ 14/12_/ 12/ 12/ 12/ 12/ 12/ 12/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/ 2/_/ 2/
07:54 <Elestren> f_: 15\____/\____/\___14_/\__,_/ 14/_/ 14/_12/ 12/_/\____/_/ 12/2_/ 2/_/_/_/ 2/_/\_15_, 15(_)
07:54 <Elestren> f_: 15/____/
07:55 <f_/h> hope y'all are doing well today!
07:57 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
07:58 <JAA/h> Elestren: shell cowsay moo
07:58 <Elestren> JAA/h: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
07:58 <JAA/h> Meh
07:58 <f_> cowsay is not installed
07:59 <f_> Elestren: shell cowsay
07:59 <Elestren> f_: Error: /bin/sh: 1: cowsay: not found
07:59 <JAA/h> Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! With the lemons!
07:59 <f_> Elestren: whereis cowsay
07:59 <Elestren> f_: Error: "whereis" is not a valid command.
07:59 <f_> Elestren: shell whereis cowsay
07:59 <Elestren> f_: cowsay:
07:59 <f_> see? Not installed.
07:59 <JAA/h> Boo
08:00 <JAA/h> What about sl?
08:00 <f_> let me fix that
08:00 <f_> Elestren: shell cowsay hi JAA
08:00 <Elestren> f_: Error: /bin/sh: 1: cowsay: not found
08:00 <f_> Elestren: shell /usr/games/cowsay hi JAA
08:00 <Elestren> f_: ________
08:01 <Elestren> f_: < hi JAA >
08:01 <Elestren> f_: --------
08:01 <Elestren> f_: \ ^__^
08:01 <Elestren> f_: \ (oo)\_______
08:01 <Elestren> f_: (__)\ )\/\
08:01 <Elestren> f_: ||----w |
08:01 <Elestren> f_: || ||
08:01 -eggdrop/h- [karma] '<@Elestren/rx> f_: ------' now has -1 karma!
08:01 <JAA/h> lol
08:01 <JAA/h> :-)
08:01 <JAA/h> Probably can't even register/identify because Elestren isn't puppeted to hackint.
08:01 <f_> Elestren: echo "f_: ------++"
08:01 <Elestren> f_: ------++
08:01 -eggdrop/h- [karma] '<@Elestren/rx> f_: ------' now has 0 karma!
08:02 <f_> JAA: I think it's best if eggdrop ignores rxbridge entirely
08:02 <f_/h> can you do that?
08:02 <JAA/h> I don't believe so.
08:02 <f_/h> :(
08:02 <JAA/h> If I can, I have no idea how.
08:02 <f_/h> fireonlive++
08:02 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'fireonlive' now has 521 karma!
08:05 <hax[xor]> f_/h: you could make the bridge suffix everything with ' ' to avoid ++ and -- from activating (I think?)
08:05 <f_/h> fireonlive++
08:05 <hax[xor]> doesn't work if eggdrop strips spaces before acting though...
08:05 <f_/h> it doesn't
08:05 <hax[xor]> good
08:05 <f_/h> This is with spaces++
08:05 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'This is with spaces' now has 1 karma!
08:06 <JAA/h> ZWJ?++
08:06 <JAA/h> :-)
08:06 <f_/h> Zero-Width Junk
08:07 <f_/h> https://mastodon.social/@andrewrk/113082066860765988
08:07 <f_/h> Sighs
08:07 <f_/h> It's worse than chromium now
08:08 <JAA/h> Worse?
08:09 <JAA/h> It's certainly moving in the wrong direction, but not sure about that just yet.
08:09 <f_/h> I don't think I ever saw advertising in the search bar last time I used it
08:09 <f_/h> but then I remember that Manifest v3 is a thing
08:09 <f_/h> Glad I no longer use Firefox
08:10 <f_/h> A web browser should empower in your workflow, not distract you with ads.
08:10 <f_/h> Seriously Mozilla, seriously reconsider what you have done.
08:10 <f_/h> Mozilla--
08:10 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'Mozilla' now has -10 karma!
08:10 <f_/h> Firefox--
08:10 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'Firefox' now has -7 karma!
08:11 <JAA/h> But it's to show you MoRe rElEvanT cOnTeNt!
08:11 <hax[xor]> web browser? empower your workflow? doesn't sound right to me
08:12 <f_/h> JAA: I don't want any of that
08:12 <f_/h> hax[xor]: Sad.
08:13 <JAA/h> Shhh, the advertisers know what's best for you, just let them make you happy!
08:13 <f_/h> so I don't know what's best for me?
08:13 *** f_/h sets mode: +b advertisers*!*@*
08:13 <hax[xor]> f_: the web is sad, yes.
08:13 <JAA/h> No, clearly not, because you don't want to see those glorious advertisements!
08:13 <f_/h> The modern web has gone so wrong
08:14 <f_/h> runxiyu has an excellent blogpost about it
08:14 <hax[xor]> JAA: I think you mean, "No, clearly not, because you are the user, and the user is always wrong."
08:14 <JAA/h> That, too.
08:14 <f_/h> https://runxiyu.org/blog/oldweb/
08:15 <f_/h> not everyone has 100 Gbps/ms internet
08:16 <f_/h> Not everyone has fancy gigabits per second per millisecond at all
08:16 <f_/h> please bring back the simple, light, lean, efficient web
08:16 <JAA/h> runxiyu++
08:16 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'runxiyu' now has 1 karma!
08:16 <JAA/h> wut
08:17 <f_/h> runxiyu++
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08:18 <JAA/h> Not everyone has a modern computer or wants to spend the ridiculous amount of CPU (= battery power for mobile devices) to process the 10 MB of JS for the Framework Of The Day to display ads either.
08:18 <f_/h> JAA: I still proudly use a chunky 2011 laptop
08:18 <JAA/h> :-)
08:19 <f_/h> That's why I dislike webapps such as Element
08:19 <JAA/h> 2015 and not very chunky here, but also in its prime.
08:20 <JAA/h> I actually wish I had a slightly older model because this one is incompatible with coreboot for SecURiTY rEAsOnS.
08:20 <JAA/h> 2011 sounds about right, yeah.
08:21 <hax[xor]> secure the device from the owner and user. again, user is always wrong.
08:21 <f_/h> What I hate about my laptop: unstable BIOS, loose plug, buggy GPU
08:21 <JAA/h> Sadly, you're down to software decoding with any video codec on older devices, so... :-/
08:21 <f_/h> But other than that it serves me well for the most part
08:21 <f_/h> hax[xor] Exactly
08:22 <JAA/h> Time to fire up the jet engine to watch a 5-minute video.
08:22 <f_/h> I don't actually watch videos often
08:22 <f_/h> Mostly the reason why my laptop overheats is because of Element
08:22 <JAA/h> Naturally
08:22 <f_/h> and I noticed that it seems to overheat slightly more when in clamshell mode?
08:22 <hax[xor]> my laptop doesn't overheat because I asked it nicely not to :P
08:23 <JAA/h> Videos vary for me, but sometimes I watch sports for hours.
08:23 <f_/h> The GPU is seriously causing me issues sometimes.
08:23 <hax[xor]> also, f_: what do you mean by "unstable BIOS"?
08:23 <f_/h> hax[xor]: put lubuntu to a USB stick, plug in, watch BIOS deadlock
08:24 <hax[xor]> ah, fun
08:24 <f_/h> Also oftentimes the laptop would refuse to turn on at all but I think it might've been a dead RAM stick
08:25 <f_/h> well
08:25 <f_/h> not oftentimes
08:25 <f_/h> rarely
08:25 <f_/h> hax[xor] But I think I only tested with one stick
08:25 <JAA/h> What laptop is this?
08:25 <f_/h> which my lafrite board also does not like, although it doesn't crash, just refuses to read anything from it
08:26 <f_/h> JAA: HP EliteBook 8560w
08:26 <f_/h> this beast:
08:26 <f_/h> https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fnotebooks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F04%2FEliteBook-8560w-Front-Open-Auto.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=9891f432b65fbbea2ca56c037a5907c09ea0252a24ce3b5f3a2c7294b14579dd&ipo=images
08:27 <JAA/h> Ah, fun. I used to have an 8440p. That was chonkier, I think.
08:27 <JAA/h> Well, I still have it, but it's sitting around unused.
08:27 <f_/h> https://www.notebookcheck.net/uploads/tx_nbc2/49299_02.jpg
08:27 <f_/h> doesn't look very chonky to me
08:27 <hax[xor]> "8.56kw, no wonder it overheats"
08:28 <f_/h> hax[xor] MiLiTarY StANDarDS
08:28 <JAA/h> Hmm, maybe the images distort it a bit.
08:29 <JAA/h> Actually, that's an 8540w.
08:29 <JAA/h> You can tell because it says so below the screen.
08:29 <f_/h> ah
08:30 <JAA/h> That's from an '8440p series review'. lol
08:30 <f_/h> https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/8c9a3e82-620e-4b70-973d-889ea11f7d4f_1.02ddb0ccf469c1238a5de4d2d00b93cb.jpeg
08:30 <f_/h> looks less chunky
08:31 <JAA/h> Spec sheet time...
08:31 <f_/h> I'm quite sure the 'w' ones are more chunky than the 'p' ones
08:31 <JAA/h> 8440p: 1.3 mm (at front) x 335.6 mm x 236.2 mm
08:31 <f_/h> 'w' for workstation and 'p' for portable I presume
08:31 <JAA/h> datasheet_8560w.pdf → 404
08:31 <JAA/h> HP pls
08:31 <f_/h> HP pls
08:32 <f_/h> wayback machine!
08:32 <f_/h> > The Wayback Machine has not archived that URL.
08:32 <f_/h> archive.org pls
08:32 <JAA/h> I'd wager it has it under another URL, but good luck finding that.
08:32 <JAA/h> I found a Japanese one.
08:32 <JAA/h> > 382×257.5×34.5（最薄部、突起部含まず）mm
08:33 <JAA/h> And I made a copy error before.
08:33 <JAA/h> 31.3 mm for the 8440p, 34.5 for the 8560w
08:34 <JAA/h> Though it doesn't split it up into display and body, which is a shame.
08:34 <JAA/h> But yeah, turns out yours is 10% more chonk. :-)
08:35 <JAA/h> Sometimes, I wish I'd kept the 'oh lawd he comin' chonker laptops from the 90s I've come across.
08:37 <runxiyu> f_: That sounds like my 2009 MacBook Air refusing to boot at all when I plug in an Alpine ISO
08:37 <runxiyu> I don't think Alpine is to blame here
08:43 <f_/h> runxiyu: possibly a different issue
08:43 <f_/h> runxiyu++
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08:44 <JAA/h> For reference: https://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press_kits/2010/mobility2010/HPEliteBook8440pDatasheet.pdf https://jp.ext.hp.com/content/dam/jp-ext-hp-com/jp/ja/ec/lib/doc/catalog/notebook/jpt11699_04.pdf
08:44 <JAA/h> Oh, and now the other one does load, so that was a fake 404, wtf?
08:44 <JAA/h> https://hp.com/united-states/campaigns/workstations/images/datasheet_8560w.pdf
08:46 <JAA/h> It's also redirecting from HTTPS to HTTP...
08:46 <JAA/h> Oh, yeah
08:46 <JAA/h> https://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/workstations/images/datasheet_8560w.pdf is a 404, but http://www.hp.com/united-states/campaigns/workstations/images/datasheet_8560w.pdf works.
08:46 <JAA/h> What the actual fuck, HP?
08:47 <hax[xor]> clearly, hp felt like MITMing itself and inserting pages in place of select 404s, but as such only works when unencrypted :P
08:48 <JAA/h> And of course, you can't access it over HTTP once you've hit the site on HTTPS thanks to automatic HTTPS.
08:48 <JAA/h> In a modern broser, anyway.
08:48 <JAA/h> Not HSTS, just the browser remembering it was able to connect to HTTPS or similar.
08:48 <hax[xor]> can you convince the modern browser that you really do want http by specifying port 80?
08:49 <JAA/h> Of course not.
08:49 <JAA/h> The browser knows better than you.
08:49 <hax[xor]> great
08:50 <hax[xor]> now google just has to get to work on some sort of automatic https->http downgrade based on some "effective" methods, such as "datasheet_8560.pdf" being seen somewhere in the link
08:50 <JAA/h> Now we're talking!
08:51 <JAA/h> Speaking of the web of shit, it's embarrassing that companies like Buttflare and Akamai can't get HTTP right.
08:52 <JAA/h> Buttflare used to (sometimes, depending on the phase of the moon) deny HTTP/1.1 requests where the Host header didn't appear first.
08:52 <hax[xor]> lol
08:53 <JAA/h> And Akamai is regularly just hanging on certain requests depending on headers.
08:53 <JAA/h> !kfind Akamai
08:53 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 1 matches for 'Akamai': Akamai: '-36'
08:53 <JAA/h> That's why it's at -36.
09:02 <runxiyu> Anyways, atomics will be better than read locks
09:09 <f_/h> The web is in a sad state.
09:09 <f_/h> DuckDNS--
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09:09 <f_/h> DuckDNS--
09:09 <f_/h> DuckDNS--
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09:10 <f_> Elestren: bang
09:10 <Elestren> f_: \_x< | Score: 4 (4375.81 seconds)
09:10 <f_> Elestren: bang
09:10 <Elestren> f_: You are reloading... (Reloading takes 5 seconds)
09:10 <f_> By the way, JAA
09:10 <f_> > 08:01 <JAA/h> Probably can't even register/identify because Elestren isn't puppeted to hackint.
09:10 <f_> ^ looking at public logs
09:11 <f_> you actually can
09:11 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
09:11 <f_> https://irc.vitali64.duckdns.org/rx/funderscore/latest.log.html
09:11 <f_> Elestren: bang
09:11 <Elestren> f_: \_x< | Score: 5 (6.64 seconds)
09:11 <f_> JAA/ef: Oh, I know what you mean..
09:11 <f_> yes you can't, but that's because I disabled PMs relaying in PyLink :^)
09:12 <JAA/h> Right
09:12 <f_> Make yourself an account on rx if you really want
09:13 <f_> but Elestren doesn't require a Limnoria account for most of its stuff
09:13 <f_> Elestren: aol a
09:13 <Elestren> f_: a:-):-):-)
09:13 <JAA/h> I still wouldn't be able to (safely) auth from hackint, so meh.
09:13 <f_> Elestren: aol hello this is me typing as an AOL user.
09:13 <Elestren> f_: hello this is me typing as an AOL user.<3<3<3
09:13 <f_> Elestren: aol or is it EFnet???
09:13 <Elestren> f_: or is it EFnet???:-D:-D:-D
09:14 <f_> Elestren: rainbow JAA: But Elestren works without an account!
09:14 <Elestren> f_: 05J04A07A08: 03B11u10t 02E06l13e05s04t07r08e09n 11w10o12r02k06s 05w04i07t08h09o03u11t 12a02n 13a05c04c07o08u09n03t11!
09:14 <JAA/h> I have Ideas™ how it could be implemented, but not worth it. lol
09:14 <f_> JAA: tell me
09:14 <f_/h> Elestren rainbow works without an account!
09:14 <Elestren> f_/h: 05w04o07r08k09s 11w10i12t02h06o13u05t 07a08n 03a11c10c12o02u06n13t05!
09:15 <f_/h> Elestren shell echo hi
09:15 <Elestren> f_/h: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified.
09:15 <JAA/h> 1) As I understand it, there's some form of puppeting-ish behaviour on the rx side. If that includes the full hostmask and/or account information, that could be used for identification.
09:15 <f_/h> Elestren whoami
09:15 <Elestren> f_/h: I don't recognize you. You can message me either of these two commands: "user identify <username> <password>" to log in or "user register <username> <password>" to register.
09:15 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
09:15 <f_/h> JAA: it does include the full hostmask
09:15 <f_> User -- JAA/h (JAA/h!~JAA@archiveteam/JAA) is JustAnotherArchivist
09:15 <f_> User -- JAA/h is connecting from ~JAA@archiveteam/JAA 0.0.0.0
09:15 <f_> User -- JAA/h has joined channels: @#funderscore-sucks +#funderscore
09:15 <f_> User -- JAA/h is connected through the server h.relay.fun.irc.andrewyu.org (PyLink Relay network - h)
09:15 <JAA/h> 2) A bridged channel specifically for auth purposes with a join limit where you get kicked after authing (or a timeout).
09:16 <f_> Wait do you know what I could also do
09:16 <f_> bring Elestren to hackint!
09:16 <JAA/h> h
09:16 <f_> hackint.org: h
09:18 <JAA/h> Or that, heh.
09:18 <JAA/h> Poor EFnet people are poor anyway.
09:19 <JAA/h> And wherever else this is bridged, I forgor.
09:20 <f_/h> Only to rx, EFnet (TBDecommissioned), and XMPP
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09:22 <JAA/h> Already giving up on EFnet, huh?
09:22 <f_> Why does PyLink keep messing up my chanacl
09:23 <f_> > [+wwwb a:Noisytoot!noisytoot@netadmin.irc.runxiyu.org o:Noisytoot!noisytoot@netadmin.irc.runxiyu.org h:R:Elestren m:R:Elestren] by ef.relay.fun.irc.andrewyu.org
09:23 <f_> yes we don't have a ChanServ
09:23 <f_> but that's ok
09:23 <f_> Don't need ChanServ
09:23 <f_> Just +Pwq q:R:f_ f_
09:26 <f_> don't even need autoop bots
09:27 <f_> +w takes care of everything for you
09:27 <f_> To register a channel on rx, ask netadmins set +Pwq
09:27 <f_> and you're done
09:28 <f_> ChanServ will eventually do just that, and handle channel metadata stuff
10:40 <katia/h> hi f underscore
10:41 <katia/h> #f_
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12:12 <f_[x]> hi katia
12:13 <longnoserob|m/h> Elestren: bang
12:13 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: \_x< | Score: 2 (10669.89 seconds)
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12:17 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
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12:47 <katia/h> elestren bang
12:47 <Elestren> katia/h: \_x< | Score: 2 (1841.38 seconds)
12:49 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
12:49 <longnoserob_> Elestren: bang
12:49 <Elestren> longnoserob_: \_x< | Score: 1 (11.99 seconds)
12:51 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
12:52 <katia/ef> elestren::::::::: bang
12:52 <Elestren> katia/ef: \_x< | Score: 2 (62.03 seconds)
12:56 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
12:56 <longnoserob_> elestren: bang
12:56 <Elestren> longnoserob_: \_x< | Score: 2 (20.96 seconds)
12:57 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
12:57 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren* bang
12:57 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: You missed the duck!
12:57 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren: bang
12:57 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: \_x< | Score: 3 (20.64 seconds)
13:02 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
13:02 <katia/h> elestren bang
13:02 <Elestren> katia/h: \_x< | Score: 3 (16.11 seconds)
13:02 <Elestren> Scores: (f_: 5) (katia/h: 3) (longnoserob|m/h: 3) (katia/ef: 2) (longnoserob_: 2) (f_l: 1)
13:02 <Elestren> Best time: katia/h with 5.55 seconds
13:02 <Elestren> f_ has the lead for the week with 5 points.
13:03 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
13:04 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren: bang
13:04 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: \_x< | Score: 1 (18.67 seconds)
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13:06 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
13:12 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren::::: bang
13:12 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: \_x< | Score: 2 (321.51 seconds)
13:12 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
13:13 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren: bang
13:13 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: \_x< | Score: 3 (10.98 seconds)
13:14 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
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13:19 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren: bang]
13:19 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:19 <longnoserob|m/h> cool
13:26 <katia/h> f_
13:26 * katia/h contacts f_
13:35 <pkfpycjz|m/h> elestren: fumo
13:35 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Error: "fumo" is not a valid command.
13:36 <pkfpycjz|m/h> elestren: test
13:36 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Error: "test" is not a valid command.
13:36 <pkfpycjz|m/h> fine
13:40 <pkfpycjz|m/h> elestren: bang
13:40 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: You missed the duck!
13:41 <pkfpycjz|m/h> elestren: help
13:41 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'.
13:41 <pkfpycjz|m/h> elestren: list
13:41 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Admin, AutoMode, ChanTracker, Channel, Config, Ctcp, DuckHunt, Filter, Herald, Karma, MessageParser, Misc, MoobotFactoids, Network, NickAuth, Owner, QuoteGrabs, RSS, Services, Unix, User, and Utilities
13:42 <pkfpycjz|m/h> elestren: list Duckhunt
13:42 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: bang, dayscores, dbg, fridaymode, launched, listscores, listtimes, mergescores, mergetimes, rmscore, rmtime, score, starthunt, stophunt, total, and weekscores
13:43 <longnoserob|m/h> elestrend: total
13:43 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren: Duckhunt total
13:43 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: 16 ducks have been shot in #funderscore!
13:44 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: list Herald
13:44 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: add, change, default, get, and remove
13:45 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: get
13:45 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Error: The command "get" is available in the Herald and QuoteGrabs plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "get".
13:45 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: Herald get
13:45 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
13:47 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: list Karma
13:47 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: clear, dump, karma, load, and most
13:48 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: karma
13:48 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Highest karma: "fireonlive" (4), "JAA" (3), and "runxiyu" (3). Lowest karma: "DuckDNS" (-3), "The Lounge" (-1), and "Mesh" (-1).
13:50 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: list Utilities
13:50 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: apply, countargs, echo, ignore, last, let, sample, shuffle, sort, and success
13:50 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: Utilities shuffle
13:50 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: (utilities shuffle <arg> [<arg> ...]) -- Shuffles the arguments given.
13:51 <pkfpycjz|m/h> i am weary of this
13:54 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: Utilities shuffle fumo fumo fumo fumo fumo
13:54 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: fumo fumo fumo fumo fumo
13:55 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: list MoobotFactoids
13:55 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: factinfo, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lock, most, random, remove, and unlock
13:55 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: MoobotFactoids random
13:55 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Random factoid: "hi" is "<reply> hi"
13:56 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: MoobotFactoids random
13:56 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Random factoid: "matrix" is "<reply>no"
13:56 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: MoobotFactoids fumo
13:56 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: Error: The "MoobotFactoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "fumo" in it. Try "list MoobotFactoids" to see the commands in the "MoobotFactoids" plugin.
13:57 <pkfpycjz|m/h> i would leave it to someone else to play around
13:58 <katia/ef> elestren matrix
13:58 <Elestren> no
13:58 <f_[x]/h> o hi pkfpycjz|m
13:59 <f_[x]/h> !flags pkfpycjz|m*!*@* +V
13:59 -moist/h- f_[x] (funderscore) set flags +V on pkfpycjz|m*!*@*
13:59 <f_[x]/h> !sync
13:59 -moist/h- f_[x] (funderscore) used SYNC.
13:59 *** moist/h sets mode: +v pkfpycjz|m/h
13:59 <f_[x]/h> KQVHTheyAll|m: nick is messed up please change it
14:00 <katia/h> random letters
14:00 <f_[x]/h> pkfpycjz|m: will add it for you later
14:00 <f_[x]/h> katia: I think pkfpycjz's nick is indeed randomly generated
14:02 <pkfpycjz|m/h> yeah this account was created to be disposable but it's whatever now
14:04 <pkfpycjz|m/h> Elestren: bang
14:04 <Elestren> pkfpycjz|m/h: \_x< | Score: 1 (2961.83 seconds)
14:05 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
14:13 <longnoserob|m/h> elestren* bang
14:13 <Elestren> longnoserob|m/h: \_x< | Score: 4 (485.79 seconds)
14:17 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
15:09 <f_[x]/h> pkfpycjz|m: IRC is the best choice for anonymity
15:12 <f_/h> maybe XMPP too
15:13 <f_/h> katia: but that KQVHTheyAll|m..nick was meant to be "EXKC/QVH (They/All)"
15:15 <f_/h> can any of you Matrix users send a file?
15:15 <f_/h> actually
15:30 <f_/h> KQVHTheyAll|m---fix your nick
15:31 <f_/h> > #funderscore:Hackint.org is not accessible at this time.
15:31 <f_/h> > M_UNKNOWN was returned while trying to access the room or space. If you think you're seeing this message in error, please submit a bug report.
15:31 <f_/h> uh come on why is matrix not case-insensitive
15:31 <f_/h> The s in Matrix stands for sane
15:32 *** Joins: f_[m]/h (~fundersco@fd1a:6295:5133::2099)
15:32 <f_/h> The b in Matrix stands for bug-free
15:33 * f_[m]/h uploaded an image: (8KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_irc/v1/media/download/AcQ2dwLYj1Qg0Wb-T41sIYeLg1QcDJh_RQj7ZdO3KR9t6qznAxcCCfPAP-UCFe_LdfKLLawjr__awwFoPG9LLi9CeSZ9RDIAAG5vdmEuYXN0cmFsdGVjaC5vcmcvVGNBR0V2cVRmSkFWS2tWbGF6RXZJaVlk >
15:33 <Elestren> Please refrain from sending files like this. The bridge creates a link for IRC, which only lasts a few hours. Instead, use a file hosting service such as 0x0.st or x0.at.
15:33 <f_[m]/h> thanks Elestren
15:33 *** Parts: f_[m]/h (~fundersco@fd1a:6295:5133::2099) ()
15:34 <f_/h> Let's see for how long that link lasts > f_[m] uploaded an image: (8KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_irc/v1/media/download/AcQ2dwLYj1Qg0Wb-T41sIYeLg1QcDJh_RQj7ZdO3KR9t6qznAxcCCfPAP-UCFe_LdfKLLawjr__awwFoPG9LLi9CeSZ9RDIAAG5vdmEuYXN0cmFsdGVjaC5vcmcvVGNBR0V2cVRmSkFWS2tWbGF6RXZJaVlk >
15:34 <Elestren> Please refrain from sending files like this. The bridge creates a link for IRC, which only lasts a few hours. Instead, use a file hosting service such as 0x0.st or x0.at.
15:35 <JAA/h> Good bot.
15:35 <f_> Elestren: bef
15:35 <Elestren> f_: Error: "bef" is not a valid command.
15:35 <f_> Elestren: bang
15:35 <Elestren> f_: \_x< | Score: 1 (4683.73 seconds)
15:35 <f_> JAA: Yeah I added a bunch of triggers specifically for the Matrix bridge
15:35 *** Joins: f_[m]/h (~fundersco@fd1a:6295:5133::2099)
15:36 <f_[m]/h> For instance:... (full message at <https://matrix.hackint.org/_irc/v1/media/download/AUxoCbzKrzENn6jgIkK5eLAEfFmt2aNiHPy3SP2xVb1LmX1zUGBLCsmVdg9ec14fJFDISH54txBG7chDgK19oOlCeSZ9aoDQAGhhY2tpbnQub3JnL3BMSW9QemZJc3pOZlVoQWFOb2VzdmJ6Sw>)
15:36 <Elestren> Hello, please refrain from sending multiline messages. They get sent as a link on IRC, which is annoying for IRC users. Remember that most of us are joined on IRC and not on Matrix. Thank you.
15:36 *** Parts: f_[m]/h (~fundersco@fd1a:6295:5133::2099) ()
15:36 <f_> Elestren: config search char
15:36 <Elestren> f_: supybot.plugins.Karma.decrementChars, supybot.plugins.Karma.incrementChars, supybot.plugins.QuoteGrabs.randomGrabber.minimumCharacters, and supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
15:37 <f_> Elestren: config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars
15:37 <Elestren> f_: Global: ; #funderscore @ rx:
15:37 <f_> help
15:37 <f_> help
15:37 <f_> Elestren: config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars "+"
15:37 <Elestren> f_: The operation succeeded.
15:37 <f_> +help
15:37 <Elestren> f_: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'.
15:37 <f_> Elestren: config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars "hello"
15:37 <Elestren> f_: Error: Value must contain only ~!@#$%^&*()_-+=[{}]\|'";:,<.>/?
15:37 <f_> Elestren: config supybot.reply.whenAddressedBy.chars "="
15:37 <Elestren> f_: The operation succeeded.
15:37 <f_> =help
15:37 <Elestren> f_: Use the 'list' command to list all plugins, and 'list <plugin>' to list all commands in a plugin. To show the help of a command, use 'help <command>'.
15:37 <f_> ok
15:38 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
15:38 <f_> =bang
15:38 <Elestren> f_: \_x< | Score: 2 (0.17 seconds)
15:38 <f_> =fumo is fumo
15:38 <Elestren> f_: The operation succeeded.
15:38 <f_> =fumo is <reply> fumo
15:38 <Elestren> f_: Error: Factoid "fumo" already exists.
15:38 <f_> =remove
15:38 <Elestren> f_: Error: The command "remove" is available in the Herald, MessageParser, MoobotFactoids, and RSS plugins. Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "remove".
15:38 <f_> =moobotfactoids remove fumo
15:38 <Elestren> f_: The operation succeeded.
15:38 <f_> =fumo is <reply> fumo
15:38 <Elestren> f_: The operation succeeded.
15:38 <f_> =fumo
15:38 <Elestren> fumo
15:38 <f_> =moobotfactoids list
15:38 <Elestren> f_: Error: The "MoobotFactoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "list" in it. Try "list MoobotFactoids" to see the commands in the "MoobotFactoids" plugin.
15:38 <f_> =list moobotfactoids
15:38 <Elestren> f_: factinfo, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lock, most, random, remove, and unlock
15:38 <f_> =moobotfactoids listkeys
15:38 <Elestren> f_: (moobotfactoids listkeys [<channel>] <text>) -- Lists the keys of the factoids whose key contains the provided text. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:38 <f_> =moobotfactoids listvalues
15:38 <Elestren> f_: (moobotfactoids listvalues [<channel>] <text>) -- Lists the keys of the factoids whose value contains the provided text. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:38 <f_> =moobotfactoids most
15:38 <Elestren> f_: (moobotfactoids most [<channel>] {popular|authored|recent}) -- Lists the most {popular|authored|recent} factoids. "popular" lists the most frequently requested factoids. "authored" lists the author with the most factoids. "recent" lists the most recently created factoids. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:39 <f_> =moobotfactoids factinfo
15:39 <Elestren> f_: (moobotfactoids factinfo [<channel>] <factoid key>) -- Returns the various bits of info on the factoid for the given key. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
15:39 <f_> =moobotfactoids factinfo fumo
15:39 <Elestren> f_: fumo: Created by funderscore on 2024-10-07T15:38:25+0000. Last requested by f_!yes@oper/netadmin on 2024-10-07T15:38:27+0000, requested 1 time.
15:39 <f_> pkfpycjz|m : ^
15:39 <f_> =hi
15:39 <Elestren> hi
15:40 <Elestren> \_o< quack!
15:40 <JAA/h> That last Matrix link is 69 bytes.
15:41 <runxiyu> =fumo
15:41 <Elestren> fumo
15:41 <f_> I'm quite sure matrix links have a fixed length
15:42 <f_> depends
15:45 <JAA/h> I meant the contents. The link is longer.
15:48 <f_> > <[REDACTED]> I'm once again warning about a hurricane. Milton has just reached Category 4, and it looks likely to reach Category 5 soon. If you're near Tampa Bay, it's reccomended that you evacuate *today*. Please take care of yourselves and loved ones, and if you know someone who lives in Florida please share this information/warning.
15:50 *** Quits: tweezers (~tweezers@103.108.229.68) (Connection closed)
15:50 <JAA/h> Thank you, [REDACTED]. Stay safe, Floridians.
15:52 *** Joins: tweezers (~tweezers@103.108.229.68)
15:53 <f_> [REDACTED] is actually novaandromeda on OFTC
15:53 <f_[l]> why do I still have this tab open
15:54 <f_> > Sessions
15:54 <f_> > Current session:
15:54 <f_> > Firefox 115 on Windows 10
15:54 <f_> f_ uses Firefox and Windows 10 confirmed
15:58 <f_[l]> JAA/h The Lounge absolutely rocks
15:58 <f_[l]> Sent from The Lounge
15:59 <JAA/h> The Lounge--
15:59 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'The Lounge' now has -36 karma!
15:59 <f_/h> The Lounge--
15:59 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'The Lounge' now has -37 karma!
15:59 <f_/h> Seriously I just have it laying around because I asked runxiyu for an account for testing purposes
15:59 <f_/h> runxiyu++
15:59 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'runxiyu' now has 4 karma!
15:59 <JAA/h> Fair enough :-)
15:59 <f_/h> (and no, runxiyu does not use The Lounge as main..)
16:00 <f_[l]> Sometimes it can be quite useful
16:00 <f_[l]> but I rarely use it, to be fair
16:00 <f_/h> It can be quite useful if both my main bouncer and rx XMPP bridge go down
16:01 <f_/h> rx's XMPP bridge is hosted by me
16:01 <JAA/h> I just have (normally) two irssi instances on different servers at different providers on different continents.
16:01 <JAA/h> Except one has been down for a while due to $reasons.
16:03 <katia/h> heh
16:04 <katia/h> ovh and what else JAA?
16:05 <JAA/h> netcup
16:06 <katia/h> netcup is nice
16:17 <JAA/h> Yeah
16:18 <f_> RIP in peace AlsoJAA
16:18 <JAA/h> The routing for their included IPv6 subnet is a bit weird, but otherwise, they're great.
16:21 <JAA/h> Specifically, the subnet isn't simply routed to your server, you have to use ND and then it takes a couple dozen seconds from the first incoming packet until it actually gets through as the routers put down their joints and realise what's going on.
16:22 <JAA/h> According to stuff in the forums, the extra subnets (that you have to pay for) are properly routed instead.
16:23 <f_/h> katia: BTW technically I am not the bot's admin
16:23 <f_/h> runxiyu is
16:23 <JAA/h> (The 'main' single IPv6 is always routed; this only affects you if you want to use other IPs from the subnet.)
16:24 <f_/h> I just hijacked it to think I also am its owner
16:24 <f_/h> (with runxiyu's approval of course)
16:24 <f_/h> JAA: Is Netcup a VPS provider?
16:24 <katia/h> it is
16:24 <f_/h> JAA: So what happened to AlsoJAA?
16:24 <katia/h> not routed sucks
16:24 <JAA/h> Yep, and some dedis, but expensive.
16:25 <JAA/h> They also have colo, I think.
16:25 <JAA/h> AlsoJAA was on a server that I retired, and then I didn't bother setting it up again on the replacement.
16:26 <f_/h> physical server?
16:26 <f_/h> Ah, you retired a netcup VPS, right?
16:26 <JAA/h> No, an older netcup 'root server' (VPS with dedicated cores).
16:27 <f_/h> ah
16:27 <JAA/h> Didn't need that anymore and replaced it with literally the cheapest one they offer at under €1/mo. You get what you pay for, but I didn't have much on the replaced one anymore.
16:28 <f_/h> I do have quite a few alt connections though
16:28 <f_/h> maybe too much.
16:28 <f_/h> Usually I have [x]
16:28 <f_/h> but on rx I also have [z], [l], and [s]
16:28 <JAA/h> That extra cheap one is a bit hidden on their site: https://www.netcup.com/de/server/vps/vps-piko-g11s-12m
16:29 <f_/h> [z]NC, The[l]ounge, network [s]ervice
16:29 <f_/h> and [x]MPP
16:29 <f_/h> Honestly my VPS provider is quite nice
16:29 <f_/h> quite happy with it overall
16:30 <f_/h> They're not kidding with transparency and stable connection.
16:30 <JAA/h> Which one?
16:30 <Noisytoot/ef> what about [m]atrix?
16:30 <Noisytoot/ef> and [e]mail
16:30 <f_/h> Noisytoot: I often !quit that one
16:30 <runxiyu> f_: What's your VPS provider?
16:31 <f_/h> etik-cloud
16:31 <f_/h> also known as Infomaniak
16:31 <JAA/h> Ah
16:32 <JAA/h> Yeah, Infomaniak's well-known here in CH. :-)
16:32 <f_/h> Heard about them at one point, they're quite nice
16:32 <runxiyu> VPS Cloud / VPS Lite / ...?
16:32 <f_/h> JAA: oh, nice
16:32 <runxiyu> Also, is hosting email OK?
16:32 <f_/h> I'm not aware of any restrictions on email
16:33 <runxiyu> I haven't switched off Vultr because (1) it's relatively cheap and (2) I'm familiar hosting email; my account has SMTP unblocked
16:33 <runxiyu> hmmmm
16:33 <f_/h> But I don't host my email
16:33 <f_/h> I use migadu and protonmail for email
16:33 <f_/h> oh come on, both swiss too????
16:33 <runxiyu> i heard good things about migadu
16:34 <f_/h> same
16:34 <f_/h> and at one point pmOS migrated to migadu
16:34 <f_/h> Thus, I use migadu.
16:34 <f_/h> funderscore@postmarketos.org is Migadu
16:35 <f_/h> https://migadu.com/procon/
16:35 <f_/h> I like how they have an entire page about what sucks about migadi
16:35 <f_/h> *migadu
16:35 <runxiyu> though I want to host my own because I want to be able to properly host mailing lists sometime in the future
16:37 <runxiyu> https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/vps-cloud/prices
16:37 <runxiyu> f_: This actually seems like a good deal when I need to expand my VPS
16:38 <f_/h> Wanna laugh at me?
16:38 <f_/h> my server
16:38 <f_/h> wanna know what OS it runs on?
16:38 <runxiyu> what
16:38 <f_/h> ubuntu
16:38 <JAA/h> Windows ME
16:39 <runxiyu> lol
16:39 <f_/h> JAA: no I'm not that crazy
16:39 <runxiyu> f_: Maybe use Alpine next time?
16:39 <f_/h> runxiyu: Thing is, I've been planning to move to alpine for a long while.
16:39 <f_/h> I just didn't get to doing that yet.
16:39 <runxiyu> Me too lol
16:39 <runxiyu> but at least I'm on debian :P
16:40 <JAA/h> It's been close to ten years since I looked at VPS options in CH. They either didn't have those VPS Lite offers at the time or I didn't find them. I was looking for something smaller then.
16:40 <JAA/h> Infomaniak, that is.
16:40 <f_/h> JAA: I will say, my server isn't that spec'd.
16:40 <f_/h> Dual core w/ 2 GB of RAM
16:41 <f_/h> If I reword it differently:
16:41 <f_/h> Can't run Synapse decently
16:41 <JAA/h> Sure, but the prices aren't bad.
16:41 <f_/h> JAA: I mean
16:41 <f_/h> That's not really a criticism
16:41 <f_/h> I blame Synapse for taking too much resources, not my VPS provider
16:41 <JAA/h> Yeah, of course.
16:42 <f_/h> Synapse overall takes much more resources than I'd like for a messaging protocol
16:42 <runxiyu> f_: That's better than my two Vultr VPSes
16:42 <f_/h> runxiyu: I'm quite sure they're similarly spec'd
16:42 <runxiyu> I have half the CPUs
16:42 <f_/h> Actually one second
16:42 <runxiyu> How much disk space do you ahve?
16:42 <JAA/h> I just mean: last time I looked at them, their offers seemd a bit too expensive for what you got. Then again, I was only looking at budget (but not ultra-cheap) providers, so...
16:42 <f_/h> Why did I say dual-core
16:43 <runxiyu> 211900
16:43 <f_/h> My brain was not working correctly
16:43 <runxiyu> er
16:43 <f_/h> It's a single-core server
16:43 <runxiyu> f_: Ah
16:43 <runxiyu> let me check vultr prices for the specs that i need next
16:43 <f_/h> yeah I don't need 16 cores and 1 TB of RAM
16:43 <f_/h> well maybe for matrix I do
16:43 <katia/ef> infomaniak smallest server is 12gb ram
16:44 <f_/h> untrue
16:44 <katia/ef> https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/vps-cloud/prices
16:44 <JAA/h> https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/vps-lite
16:44 <katia/ef> ah vps lite
16:44 <katia/ef> 1cpu 2gb ram 3euro is too expense
16:45 <f_/h> 1 2 3
16:45 <katia/ef> https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=3423
16:45 <runxiyu> I don't know euros well
16:45 <katia/ef> this is 2euro paid every 6mo
16:45 <katia/ef> altho it is neat that infomaniak is in .ch :)
16:45 <runxiyu> I pay 10 dollars per month for 1cpu 2gb ram... wtf
16:46 <katia/ef> scammed!
16:46 <f_/h> katia: I heard CH had quite good privacy laws
16:46 <JAA/h> I have the pico at 1 core, 1 GB, 30 GB SSD for under 1€/mo (but price varies by location because VAT).
16:46 <runxiyu> katia: https://www.netcup.com/de/server/vps/vps-nano-g11s-6m says 1.68 euros per month?
16:46 <runxiyu> wdym 2 every 6
16:46 <katia/ef> billing cicle is 6mo
16:46 <katia/ef> so you pay 12euro at a time
16:46 <katia/ef> s/ci/cy/
16:46 <JAA/h> f_: Yes, we do.
16:47 <katia/ef> minus vat since that does not apply to you
16:47 <katia/ef> 1.68 euro
16:47 <runxiyu> ah
16:47 <runxiyu> though I'm probably still going with vultr for my next setup, sigh
16:47 <f_/h> JAA: can I have some swiss chocolate
16:48 <katia/ef> why vultr?
16:48 <runxiyu> Well, I appreciate that they provide Alpine ISOs
16:48 <runxiyu> katia: because i started off it for no reason
16:48 * JAA/h hands f_ 1 (ONE) bar of delicious Swiss chocolate.
16:50 <katia/ef> how stable is infomaniak f_?
16:50 <JAA/h> Yeah, netcup doesn't have Alpine images, but you can upload your own (I think also by URL, but not entirely sure).
16:50 <katia/ef> infomaniak vps cloud allegedly has 25gbps
16:51 <JAA/h> Yeah, I'd like to see someone find out how 'unlimited' that traffic really is at 25G. :-)
16:53 <f_/h> katia: very stable
16:53 <f_/h> I only ever disconnect from IRC because of my own maintenance tasks.
16:53 <f_/h> and.... EFnet being EFnet
16:54 <f_/h> It's been a little less than a month since I'm connected now
16:54 <f_/h> to hackint, I mean
16:54 <runxiyu> what, they cap traffic at 25G?
16:54 <runxiyu> that'd be unacceptable to me
16:55 <runxiyu> though if they cap speed at 25gbps, I don't mind
16:55 <runxiyu> ;P
16:55 <f_/h> runxiyu: I'm quite sure it's unlimited..
16:55 <katia/ef> 25gbps for the cloud server that starts at 29euro/mo
16:55 <f_/h> at least I never had "HEY YOU PASSED OVER LIMIT!!!"
16:55 <JAA/h> > The installation of applications/scripts that could compromise the normal function or security of the network is not allowed. In particular, the execution of the following processes is not allowed: [...] d) bots, Bouncer, IRC Services
16:55 <JAA/h> RIP f_
16:55 <katia/ef> RIP f_
16:56 <katia/ef> that is a deal breaker
16:56 <runxiyu> Oh yeah, I can't use OVH because they don't allow hosting IRC
16:56 <katia/ef> huh?
16:56 <f_/h> well I don't see how that compromise the security of the network
16:56 <katia/ef> OVH hosts 1 in 3 IRC servers
16:56 <runxiyu> katia: Read the ToS
16:56 <JAA/h> Neither do I, but it's common, sadly.
16:56 <runxiyu> I have absolutely no idea why so many VPS providers don't allow IRC
16:56 <f_/h> because they don't know what IRC is
16:56 <katia/ef> no irc in ovh tos
16:56 <JAA/h> Because IRC is also frequently used for botnet C&C.
16:57 <runxiyu> er, not exactly the tos
16:57 <runxiyu> https://us.ovhcloud.com/legal/service-specific-terms/
16:57 <runxiyu> Because IRC is such a good protocol.
16:57 <runxiyu> um did i get nail polish on my nose-
16:57 <JAA/h> > ... and for which OVHcloud has knowledge of its fraudulent or illegal misuse
16:57 <f_/h> JAA: but I don't use IRC as such
16:58 <JAA/h> runxiyu: Legitimate IRC is not banned at OVH per that.
16:58 <runxiyu> well true
16:58 <runxiyu> im just a bit scared
16:58 <katia/ef> >For security reasons, OVHcloud reserves the right to proceed with the immediate suspension without notice of any OVHcloud Service on which there is a public service Proxy, IRC, VPN or TOR which is available free of charge or for a fee, and for which OVHcloud has knowledge of its fraudulent or illegal misuse.
16:58 <katia/ef> yea
16:59 <JAA/h> I have no idea why they mention IRC under the umbrella of 'public proxy' further down though.
16:59 <runxiyu> same
16:59 <runxiyu> well, bouncers
17:00 * runxiyu is still working on https://dev.runxiyu.org/iadocs/appendix.pdf
17:00 <JAA/h> Yeah, but if you run a public bouncer service...
17:00 <f_/h> oh my bouncer isn't public so I'm fine
17:00 <katia/ef> no infomatik for me
17:01 <katia/ef> don't wanna get caught with irc installed
17:01 <katia/ef> for it is prohibited
17:01 <f_/h> I mean
17:01 <f_/h> It's been a while since I installed a bouncer
17:01 <f_/h> I think they wanted to prevent C&C stuff
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17:01 <JAA/h> I'd probably just ask.
17:02 <katia/h> b^
17:02 <katia/h> b&
17:02 <JAA/h> Nah, before running anything.
17:02 <JAA/h> Before ordering anything. *
17:03 <f_> or they probably think IRC is insecure/non-TLS
17:03 <f_> I exclusively connect via TLS and with certfp
17:03 * JAA/h stares at EFnet.
17:03 <runxiyu> so i can host IRCS
17:03 <JAA/h> I'm sure they're fine with HTTP servers, so that makes no sense.
17:04 <runxiyu> tru
17:04 <f_> but I didn't get terminated
17:04 * JAA/h reports f_ to Infomaniak.
17:04 <f_> nooo!!!
17:05 <JAA/h> Straight to jail!
17:05 <f_> :(
17:05 <runxiyu> why is --no-rebase not called --merge
17:06 <f_/ef> because it's not --rebase
17:06 <runxiyu> it's also not --ff-only
17:06 <runxiyu> it's also not --verbose
17:06 <JAA/h> Why is --no-ff not the default?
17:06 <f_/h> --no-ff-only
17:07 <runxiyu> why should it be?
17:07 <runxiyu> most of the time, if i pull, i want a rebase if it can't ff
17:07 <JAA/h> I hate FF merges in almost all cases. Erases the record of when the branch was actually updated.
17:07 <JAA/h> Eh, pulling is special.
17:08 <JAA/h> Speaking of, I recently learned that apparently cherry-picking is a weird merge.
17:08 <runxiyu> meh
17:08 <runxiyu> i heard too
17:08 <runxiyu> i once thought it's a weird rebase
17:09 <f_/h> rebase ftw
17:09 <JAA/h> Here: https://stackoverflow.com/a/53974633/14343
17:10 <JAA/h> I think it sort of used to be a weird rebase, in a sense.
17:10 <JAA/h> But rebasing just a single commit on top of another branch and skipping intermediate commits from the common ancestor.
17:11 <JAA/h> Apparently not anymore.
17:14 <JAA/h> The lines there are blurry, anyway. You could also see it as generating a patch, then applying and committing that on top of the current branch.
17:14 <JAA/h> (In the past)
17:15 <f_/h> anyway if I quit for an extended amount of time that means I'm in jail
17:15 <JAA/h> > in very old versions of Git (that no one uses any more), Git really did do that. But there are cases where it doesn't work right, so Git now performs a weird kind of merge.
17:16 <JAA/h> Yeah, I remember now that I was sad that it didn't mention anything about what cases that are.
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17:36 <JAA/h> f_: Want to try Matrix expiration again?
17:37 <f_/h> JAA: sure
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17:38 * f_[m]/h uploaded an image: (8KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_irc/v1/media/download/Aaf-RwUZiPuo1il3IwsE9wKxQnJ27S-sQp1JCrBCNGXSiYDD4Fw0ce62Qvxfr3w9PQRHfxzEDo_wJUXou_CR5MxCfb1PruNAAG5vdmEuYXN0cmFsdGVjaC5vcmcvQWxnZ3dHbE1ua0ttZlNrSWprdW9aaWhT >
17:38 <Elestren> Please refrain from sending files like this. The bridge creates a link for IRC, which only lasts a few hours. Instead, use a file hosting service such as 0x0.st or x0.at.
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17:38 <JAA/h> Cheers
17:38 <JAA/h> !remindme 18:37:50
17:38 -eggdrop/h- [remind] ok, i'll remind you at 2024-10-07T18:37:50Z
17:50 <f_/h> =remindme
17:50 <Elestren> f_/h: Error: "remindme" is not a valid command.
17:50 <f_/h> =remind
17:50 <Elestren> f_/h: Error: "remind" is not a valid command.
17:50 <f_/h> =tell
17:50 <Elestren> f_/h: (tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells the <nick> whatever <text> is. Use nested commands to your benefit here.
17:51 <f_/h> =tell KQVHTheyAll|m/h Please change your nickname, it's messed up.
17:51 <Elestren> f_/h: The operation succeeded.
17:51 <JAA/h> eggdrop's !tell supports masks, too.
17:51 <f_> =tell f_ yes
17:51 <Elestren> f_: The operation succeeded.
17:51 <JAA/h> I really hope we can keep it alive indefinitely.
17:52 <f_/h> yeah eggdrop's !tell works better,.
17:52 <f_/h> Same
17:53 <JAA/h> I don't think the code is publicly available anywhere. I did poke him about it a while back, but he never got around to it. Something something 'needs cleanup first' IIRC.
17:54 <f_/h> Hope it will be available someday.
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17:55 <JAA/h> Well, that may be a bit of a mess, legally speaking.
17:56 <f_/h> :'(
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18:04 <JAA/h> I quickly searched my logs and didn't find it, and I don't feel like digging around there further right now.
18:37 <eggdrop/h> [remind] JAA:
18:38 <JAA/h> Image is still working for now. :-)
19:12 <katia/h> 13d4o8e9s11 12m13a4t8r9i11x12 13s4u8p9p11o12r13t4 8c9o11l12o13r4s8?
19:44 <f_[x]/h> katia: only on m.room.message
19:45 <f_[x]/h> IRC supports them mostly everywhere
19:45 <f_[x]/h> for reference
19:56 <JAA/h> Not on +c channels though.
20:47 <hax[xor]> runxiyu/JAA: only specifies "and for which OVHcloud has knowledge of its fraudulent or illegal misuse", not by whom the misuse is from. counts $random_user connects, sends copyrighted material base64-encoded, and leaves?
20:54 <JAA/h> True, but also, TLS.
20:54 <hax[xor]> doesn't help when 1) OVHcloud running your server implies they have full access to /dev/mem, and 2) nothing prevents OVHcloud from connecting a client
20:55 <hax[xor]> 1) they probably won't do, but 2) is entirely reasonable
21:01 <JAA/h> I guess. But I find it far more likely that they intentionally didn't phrase it too narrowly to have options for unclear cases.
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22:58 <hax[xor]> upside: they don't have to deal with loopholes in their terms. downside: you don't know what actually is or isn't allowed, or if their interpretation is going to change without notice
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23:29 <Noisytoot/ef> hax[xor]: would actually looking at your /dev/mem be legal?
23:31 <hax[xor]> Noisytoot/ef: probably depends on their terms?
23:31 <hax[xor]> and I don't know $OVHcloud_server's physical location's local laws about it, so they may or may not say something about it as well
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