Chat logs of #funderscore for Sunday, 2024-10-20
00:47 <longnoserob|m/h> moin!
05:37 <runxiyu> how does the hackint matrix bridge work
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05:55 <f_[x]> runxiyu: according to a hackint staffer it is the most time consuming thing to maintain
05:56 <f_[x]> but it's just matrix-appservice-irc
06:11 <runxiyu|m/h> hnmmm
06:12 <runxiyu|m/h> I'm using matrix because there's no usable iOS IRC client and I need to talk to IRL friends who use iOS a lot
06:23 <f_[x]/h> runxiyu|m: there is one
06:23 <f_[x]/h> Textual?
06:23 <runxiyu|m/h> that's for macOS
06:23 <runxiyu|m/h> and it's nonfree and paid
06:24 <f_[x]/h> Ah, and no I'm sure it's for iOS
06:24 <f_[x]/h> thelounge webapp?
06:24 <runxiyu|m/h> i have an ios device and i can confirm it's not in the app store
06:24 <f_[x]/h> Oh I have better
06:24 <f_[x]/h> Goguma
06:24 <runxiyu|m/h> yeah webapp... yeah no
06:24 <runxiyu|m/h> goguma is really glitchy
06:25 <f_[x]/h> How so?
06:25 <runxiyu|m/h> bleh
06:25 <runxiyu|m/h> can't really express it
06:25 <f_[x]/h> worked fine last time I used it
06:25 <runxiyu|m/h> duplicate messages
06:25 <f_[x]/h> It gets new improvements every now and then
06:25 <runxiyu|m/h> unable to send messages sometimes
06:26 <runxiyu|m/h> very weird interface on iPad
06:26 <f_[x]/h> runxiyu|m: oh that is being worked on
06:26 <f_[x]/h> There's less (none?) duplicates now
06:26 <runxiyu|m/h> i still see them
06:26 <f_[x]/h> report to #Goguma@LC
06:27 <runxiyu|m/h> ive done so
06:27 <runxiyu|m/h> and i dont have the time to file a report
06:27 <f_[x]/h> but really I doubt you'll be able to find a free ios irc client
06:27 <f_[x]/h> because of the appstore's restrictions
06:27 <runxiyu|m/h> yep, thats the issue
06:27 <runxiyu|m/h> well
06:27 <runxiyu|m/h> ElementX is a pretty good Matrix client imo
06:27 <runxiyu|m/h> Element sucks though
06:27 <f_[x]/h> goguma has a license exception specifically for ios
06:28 <f_[x]/h> runxiyu|m: never tried EleX and frankly...
06:28 <f_[x]/h> matrix--
06:28 -eggdrop/h- [karma] self karma is a selfish pursuit.
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06:28 <funderscore/h> matrix--
06:28 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'matrix' now has -31 karma!
06:28 <runxiyu|m/h> https://github.com/element-hq/element-x-ios
06:28 <runxiyu|m/h> matrix--
06:28 -eggdrop/h- [karma] 'matrix' now has -32 karma!
06:28 <runxiyu|m/h> but it's better than WeChat
06:28 <funderscore/h> and the matrix irc bridge isn't any better currently really
06:29 <runxiyu|m/h> yeah
06:29 <funderscore/h> you need to be ready to maintain it all week
06:29 <funderscore/h> a hackint staffer has sometimes expressed some annoyance when matrix stuff doesn't work for no reason
06:30 <funderscore/h> so I think it's better to just report bugs and such to goguma going forward
06:30 <funderscore/h> elementX is not an irc client
06:30 <runxiyu|m/h> i know
06:31 <funderscore/h> runxiyu|m but what about xmpp?
06:31 <runxiyu|m/h> i'd write one in swiftui if i had the time
06:31 <runxiyu|m/h> but i dont
06:31 <funderscore/h> there's a bridge for rx already and you self-host xmpp yourself already
06:31 <runxiyu|m/h> no usable xmpp clients on ios
06:31 <funderscore/h> o rly?
06:32 <funderscore/h> https://momi.ca/xmpp.html
06:32 <funderscore/h> "IPhone" section
06:33 <runxiyu|m/h> > in app purchases
06:33 <runxiyu|m/h> hmmm
06:33 <runxiyu> i'm on laptop now
06:34 <runxiyu|m/h> funderscore: test replies
06:34 <runxiyu> oh
06:34 <runxiyu> the replies look realtively good
06:34 <JAA/h> > how does the hackint matrix bridge work
06:34 <funderscore/h> replies work ok when replying in a short time
06:34 <JAA/h> s/how //
06:34 <funderscore/h> what JAA said ^
06:34 <runxiyu|m/h> <f_[x]> "runxiyu: there is one" <- reply to message from 10 minutes ago
06:34 <runxiyu> bleh
06:34 <runxiyu> i mean
06:34 <runxiyu> it's not *terrible*
06:34 <runxiyu> but it's not how i'd like it to be either
06:34 <funderscore/h> the 'preview' is tiny
06:35 <funderscore/h> very small
06:35 <JAA/h> It's not entirely useless, I guess?
06:35 <funderscore/h> slightly useless
06:35 <JAA/h> So not quite as bad as EFnet's webchat, for example.
06:35 <funderscore/h> if your matrix nick happens to be longer
06:35 <JAA/h> But then again, that's EFnet.
06:35 <runxiyu|m/h> efnet has a webchat?
06:35 <funderscore/h> it's very useless
06:35 <JAA/h> I don't know if it does. It used to be broken for months at a time.
06:35 <funderscore/h> JAA: I'm grateful that efnet doesn't have a matrix bridge
06:36 <runxiyu|m/h> that sounds awful
06:37 <funderscore/h> runxiyu|m: try replying to a long message
06:37 <JAA/h> Oh yeah, and it also silently truncated messages, which was great.
06:37 <funderscore/h> JAA: the oftc webchat does as well
06:37 <JAA/h> The Lounge instead apparently splits them without showing you where they get split, which is equally great.
06:38 <funderscore/h> runxiyu|m: also try sending a message that is 6 lines long
06:39 <runxiyu|m/h> 1... (full message at <https://matrix.hackint.org/_irc/v1/media/download/AQYN43pkroV-JS-NbIVzZkXgECKijDVO1hRByyozaxJXh_z1yupbscoRLpnDZnn3BGwbXu1tJqmgRpORRPMUwUFCfcFZK7BAAGhhY2tpbnQub3JnL3lCeWZub3p1bUdNQVNVaktxdmxiUGNaaA>)
06:39 <Elestren> Hello, please refrain from sending multiline messages. They get sent as a link on IRC, which is annoying for IRC users. Remember that most of us are joined on IRC and not on Matrix. Thank you.
06:39 <funderscore/h> and try sending an image
06:39 <runxiyu> bruh
06:39 * runxiyu|m/h posted a file: (3KiB) < https://matrix.hackint.org/_irc/v1/media/download/AQDQb4NGd2KokVFb5dbJ-LC8Armsbna58l7fyaby8gmyU7iGW8bbjzfDQQCto6dDzdo8tMo0c0E7JS8aySFb_jRCfcFZMFhwAGVudnMubmV0Lzg5OTZhOWVjMTA2ZmUwOWQwZGI1NzFiNjc3NmY0YzgxNjA3NjdhNmYxODQ3ODkwNDQ1MjA4NjQ5NzI4 >
06:40 <JAA/h> At least the links don't break after an hour now. lol
06:40 <funderscore/h> see how horrible they look like?
06:40 <runxiyu> those are... very long links
06:40 <funderscore/h> yeah the links used to break after an hour
06:41 <funderscore/h> and on oftc they used to break after 8 hours, until I asked the bridge admins (matrix.org) to higher the insane limit
06:42 <funderscore/h> runxiyu: do you still want a matrix to rx bridge
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06:44 <runxiyu|m/h> well yeah
06:44 <f_[x]/h> ok
06:46 <f_[x]/h> > given what resources we spend for the whole irc network
06:46 <f_[x]/h> > the matrix bridge runs circles around that infrastructure
06:46 <f_[x]/h> > compute, memory, disk, network
06:46 <f_[x]/h> > and most of all maintenance
06:46 <f_[x]/h> runxiyu: ^ Have fun
06:47 <f_[x]/h> Let's do this as an experiment to see how well it works, if it does at all
06:47 <f_[x]/h> the former vern.cc bridge broke shortly after it went up IIRC
06:47 <f_[x]/h> and in the end vern.cc gave up
06:49 <f_[x]/h> But I am not hosting this on my infra (unlike the xmpp bridge)
06:49 <f_[x]/h> my server would probably die because of matrix
06:52 <JAA/h> vern.cc >:-(
06:55 <f_[x]/h> JAA: heh
06:55 <f_[x]/h> For bridging their channels to irc they use a very old and unmaintained and buggy bridge I wrote
06:56 <f_[x]/h> even I no longer use it
06:57 <f_[x]/h> JAA: andrewyu.org used to host matrix for about a week
06:57 <JAA/h> My angry face isn't even about Matrix.
06:58 <f_[x]/h> ah
06:58 <f_[x]/h> About what then?
06:58 <f_[x]/h> the psf.lt-vern.cc drama stuff?
06:58 <JAA/h> vern.cc has crashed several AB jobs because it redirects AB to a 1 TiB speedtest file based on the UA.
06:58 <f_[x]/h> sucks
06:59 <f_[x]/h> so cannot be archived? Or what
06:59 <JAA/h> There's a public Git repo that allegedly contains the nginx config, and it doesn't even contain that rule.
06:59 <JAA/h> It can be archived when targeted directly. The problem is when there are random links to vern.cc on other sites.
07:00 <f_[x]/h> really sucks.
07:00 <JAA/h> On direct jobs, we can just switch the UA to something that doesn't get this shitty treatment.
07:00 <f_[x]/h> you may want to bring it up on their tilde.chat irc channel
07:00 <JAA/h> This is why I lean more towards 'fuck using appropriate UAs, just go with a popular browser' every day.
07:00 <Elestren> Swearing goes to /dev/null, thanks!
07:01 <f_[x]/h> what was the useragent?
07:01 <JAA/h> Which is sad but the path of least resistance, apparently.
07:02 <JAA/h> Well, the UA varies, but the default one is `ArchiveTeam ArchiveBot/%s (wpull %s) and not Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.90 Safari/537.36` with varying version numbers in the %s.
07:03 <f_[x]/h> it doesn't like `ArchiveBot` I guess
07:03 <JAA/h> It probably matches 'bot' or something.
07:03 <JAA/h> Or was this the one that specifically detected ArchiveTeam or ArchiveBot?
07:03 <f_[x]/h> hmmm
07:03 <f_[x]/h> could be that it matches "bot"
07:03 <f_[x]/h> most likely
07:04 <JAA/h> Yeah, it matched ^ArchiveTeam according to my tests in August.
07:04 <f_[x]/h> Oh vern.cc really?
07:04 <f_[x]/h> come on
07:04 <f_[x]/h> why won't you let us archive your stuff
07:04 <JAA/h> That is still the case.
07:05 <JAA/h> ArchiveBot works, ArchiveTea works, ArchiveTeam gets that 307.
07:05 <JAA/h> curl -sv -A ArchiveTeam https://vern.cc/
07:05 <f_[x]/h> Sucks
07:06 <f_[x]/h> well none of us are in contact with vern anymore
07:06 <f_[x]/h> I cut communications by leaving their irc channels
07:07 <f_[x]/h> I see cobra from time to time but we don't really talk anymore.
07:07 <f_[x]/h> I was sick of the psflt/vern drama
07:07 <f_[x]/h> anyway..
07:08 <runxiyu> woah
07:08 <runxiyu> local university has ipv6 now!
07:08 <f_[x]/h> Archive all the things?
07:08 <f_[x]/h> s/\?/!/ ; thanks on-screen keyboard
07:09 <runxiyu> what psflt/vern drama
07:09 <f_[x]/h> you probably don't want to hear about it
07:09 <f_[x]/h> or maybe you do
07:10 <f_[x]/h> that'll be for later
07:35 <Danct12/h> runxiyu nice
07:36 <Danct12/h> we have ipv6 for a while but not many people use it..
07:36 <Danct12/h> :P
07:37 <f_[x]/h> IPv6 is sadly still not widely used :(
07:37 <f_[x]/h> need to set it up myself too, vps supports ipv6 but I only use ipv4 atm
07:38 <Danct12/h> i have ipv6 but i completely disabled it on my desktop
07:38 <Danct12/h> because i cant stand that one
07:56 <f_[x]/h> android scrollbar ftw
08:01 <JAA/h> I'm regularly in a place where I can only do IPv6. It's annoying how often I come across sites that have IPv6 but it's entirely broken.
08:49 <runxiyu|m/h> All of my networks other than my school's has good IPv6
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13:08 <funderscore1> backup connection
13:08 <funderscore1> actually
13:08 <funderscore1> I have thelounge
13:08 <rx> i dont see what happened with DuckServ
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13:09 <f_[l]> Alrighty.
13:09 <f_[l]> This is my backup.
13:09 <f_[l]> thanks rx for this The Lounge user
13:32 <runxiyu> f_: can you bridge #chat to hackint #rxchat
13:32 <f_> sure
13:34 <runxiyu> thanks
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16:11 <f_[l]> broken identd :(
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16:23 <f_[l]> soju takes a very long time to start up
16:23 <f_[l]> because it has to join over 500 channels on over 12 IRC networks
16:24 <f_/h> hi
16:25 <f_[l]> However I cannot connect to rx...
16:25 <f_[l]> runxiyu : -*soju- failed connecting/registering to rx: connection error: failed to register: failed to read message: tls: failed to verify certificate: x509: certificate has expired or is not yet valid: current time 2024-10-20T16:24:09Z is after 2024-10-15T05:18:33Z
16:27 <runxiyu> bruh what
16:27 <runxiyu> which server
16:27 <f_[l]> andrewyu.org
16:27 <hax[xor]> errr
16:27 <hax[xor]> 2024-10-20, 2024-10-15
16:27 <hax[xor]> today is 20
16:28 <runxiyu/h> certbot broke
16:28 <hax[xor]> but the error is 'not valid yet"
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16:31 <f_[z]> I absolutely love that I have a ZNC here
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16:32 <f_[z]> Especially when it's connected to the other half of rx :D
16:32 <hax[xor]> what don't you have here :P
16:32 <f_> op
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16:32 <hax[xor]> fair
16:33 <f_> MAINTENANCE is still ONGOING though
16:33 <f_> now I have to fix up XMPP
16:33 <f_> config changes and such
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16:46 <f_[l]> XMPP is up but I lost all my room bookmarks :(
16:47 <f_[l]> Meh probably a good occasion to clean up
16:47 <f_[l]> Bringing back the XMPP bridge...
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18:29 <f_`> hi
18:29 <f_`> yay
18:29 <Elestren> yay!
18:29 <f_`> it works again
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18:35 <f_/h> I just noticed, I'm no longer connected to nuke.hackint.org
20:17 <JAA/h> f_: Eh, I mean, you could also just run irssi or weechat or whatever on the machine you're running The Lounge on for the duration of the maintenance. When I last looked at the TL install docs, it was a bit of a process (adding a user and whatnot). For irssi, you'd probably want to change the nickname, and then you're good to connect.
20:18 <JAA/h> `ircdog` or whatever would even be 'good enough' for that though. :-P
20:19 <JAA/h> Or the one from suckless that I keep forgetting the name of.
20:19 <hax[xor]> said TL instance is being run on runxiyu.org (or andrewyu.org, idr which, though I think the former) (not that f_ couldn't run one from there, but it's not f_ running it, nor f_'s server)
20:20 <JAA/h> Ah
20:26 <Danct12/h> moin
20:51 <f_/h> JAA: yeah andrewyu.org just happened to have a running TL so this is what I used.
20:51 <f_/h> and yes I could've ran a weechat
20:51 <f_/h> on andrewyu.org, that is. In fact I have weechat preconfigured to connect to rx
20:51 <f_/h> but whatever
20:52 *** f_ changes topic to '[ <fireonlive> funderscore is a hoover max extract pressure pro model 60 ] Maintenance done, please let me know about any new issues · read https://moin.vitali64.duckdns.org/IRC · logs at https://irc.vitali64.duckdns.org/rx/funderscore/ · also on hackint and XMPP · have fun and be respectful to each other!'
21:09 <f_/h> oh I just saw that messag
21:09 <f_/h> e
21:09 <f_/h> Moin Danct12 !
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